[P2P-F] UROs are on the air
orsan at tie-netherlands.nl
orsan at tie-netherlands.nl
Mon Jun 13 15:26:14 CEST 2011
Hey Amaia, I was guessing that you two might be in touch already, that
is great to hear that you are so! the FB page looks very good indeed,
well done! we might talk sometimes too my skype name is orsan1234
This week there are signs of another slowingdown in the global
economy, and OPEC is having problems and suudiarabia is acting
independently there are signs of acceleration in the momoentum!
greetings
Quoting Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos at googlemail.com>:
> Hi Orsan,
>
> We've also been talking to Mayo today and are going to be posting on p2p
> blog (today, soon) about 19th June and the Euro Pact and how there is talk
> of making it global so it's great we are all thinking the same!
>
> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=166343293429569 - have a look, it has
> info in English
>
> Amaia
>
> On 13 June 2011 14:32, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> I just wrote to Mayo Fuster Morell, from Barcelona, who has initiated a
>> webpage for the 19th june call for a #globalrevolution saying that in case
>> the 19th of june would not spread the revolution sparks starts the fire at
>> the european and the world levels, we may involve all together -p2p
>> community, networks like transform! eu, TNI, Seaatle to Brussles, Our World
>> is not for sale, and who ever wnats to join for a more coordinated glboal
>> camaign.
>>
>> I have tried to contact to the Yes Man for inventing a trick that would
>> give our message a global out reach.
>>
>> greetings,
>> Orsan
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>>
>> thank you George!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, George Papanikolaou
>>> <georgepapani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> VOTE OF THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY OF SYNTAGMA SQUARE
>>>> http://real-democracy.gr/en/vote-peoples-assembly-syntagma-square
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> ???? 01/06/2011 10:43 ??, ?/? Michel Bauwens ??????:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thank you George,
>>>>
>>>> if you see any english commentary on the movement, thanks for
>>>> forwarding!!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:39 PM, George Papanikolaou <
>>>> georgepapani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the Greek government will reach an agreement with EU and IMF
>>>>> for a new rescue loan. The basic reason is that they all realized they
>>>>> were
>>>>> not at all ready to absorb a possible default. More than 50.000 people
>>>>> gathered yesterday at Syntagma square.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/31/us-eurozone-idUSTRE74Q1YV20110531
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ???? 29/05/2011 04:45 ??, ?/? orsan at tie-netherlands.nl ??????:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To make use of a Yes Man style media action project in order to reach
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> poeple and create a ripple effect!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> great Orsan!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:08 PM, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already pasted acall on a new discussion group i created about
>>>>>>>> Global P2P Revolution on p2p ning:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/group/peerlabour/forum/topics/anonymous-call-for-a-global
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Citeren Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really think we should contribute to this as p2p collectives and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> individuals ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really think that Amaia has found the right formula with her
>>>>>>>>> storify's,
>>>>>>>>> which we can easily embed in our blog, and Naomi Klein has already
>>>>>>>>> retweeted
>>>>>>>>> amaia's story ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what I propose is the following, i.e. that each of you used storify
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> track of developments in your own area,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> then we need one extra volunteer to do this on the 'global level',
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> an alternative is to use a specific tag for this and I could do a
>>>>>>>>> weekly
>>>>>>>>> roundup of this global tag ... say Global-P2P-Revolution ??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we can also use Peer Labour at Ning to discuss and spread the word?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Amaia Arcos <
>>>>>>>>> amaia.arcos at googlemail.com
>>>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The whole world peacefully rising against all that is unjust on
>>>>>>>>> 11.11.11
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would send shivers down God's own spine (:P), I think it is a great
>>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>> the momentum keeps going until then (and I don't see why not, they
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> surely not going to make it easy for us) I guess we have enough
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> globally link up and try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm up for anything, you can only try. And the idea of somehow just
>>>>>>>>>> concentrating on linking up people makes sense. There are many who
>>>>>>>>>> organise
>>>>>>>>>> stuff but are not particularly that well aware of who else is out
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> and/or what else is being done. And having somewhere decent where
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> see who is out there, doing what and when is not a bad idea either.
>>>>>>>>>> Many
>>>>>>>>>> find the internet disorienting in that there is too much data and
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> know how to search (or they have the idea that they don't and so
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> try).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 27 May 2011 15:43, <orsan at tie-netherlands.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unindefined Revolutionary Objects (UROs) are appearing like
>>>>>>>>>> thunder
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stike
>>>>>>>>>>> around the world and occupying important city centers... where is
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> process headed to!
>>>>>>>>>>> May be it is time to pool key people from Greece, UK, Tunusia,
>>>>>>>>>>> Egypt,
>>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin, and Spain like you Amaia in order to forge for a
>>>>>>>>>>> harmonised
>>>>>>>>>>> city
>>>>>>>>>>> center occupations in all G20 or even glibally?
>>>>>>>>>>> You might have the right names Michel. We are entering into an
>>>>>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>>>>>> time zone, I think the climate is getting ready for such an
>>>>>>>>>>> action.
>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> need to link up!
>>>>>>>>>>> There are already several calls for world strike or similar global
>>>>>>>>>>> uprising. One anaymous call suggests 11.11.11 for such uprising!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Citeren Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> take care of yourself out there, Chris!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, chris at cataspanglish.com <
>>>>>>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ok, the police have retreated from the Plaça firing rubber
>>>>>>>>>>>> bullets
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> air & it is occupied again, now without infrastructure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent from my mobile device
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2011, at 12:53, Amaia Arcos <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amaia.arcos at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, no worries, I'm in. What email address do I send stuff to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't end up spamming people unnecessarily?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Michel, to me this looks like something big could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. I'd never dreamt of what is happening when I started "being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pain"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the need to go out on May 15th in Spain. I was only hoping
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decent turnout that day. Italy happily obliging within a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then Greece and then this #europeanrevolution being organised
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a massive surprise. I thought Europe was dead, there might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o.O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27 May 2011 09:24, Michel Bauwens < <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a short intro to a piece on spain, I wrote the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endorsement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I think we should follow this very closely and support this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global movement to the best of our abilities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you can be our point man, perhaps with Amaia as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointwoman, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spain, I think her storyify format would be great for regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also copying vasilis and George in Greece, in the hope they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute stories about how this develops in Greece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When people agree on what they don't want, i.e. a market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hands of a financial predatory class, but are open-minded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future, what should they ask for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The answer is very simply: true democracy, as this leaves all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to create 'other worlds'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is why the relative indeterminacy of the Spanish movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bug, but a feature. It signals civil society forces have found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their protests, and a unifying platform, and this is why what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spain is really Ground Zero for the start of a process towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transformation of our civilisation and political economy. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just green shoots, and the new generations have to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schooled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as they face obstacles and repression, but, the tipping point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached, and something new has blossomed in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Chris Pinchen <<
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chris at cataspanglish.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now police are violenty evicting the camp in Plaça
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catalunya
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the excuse that they need to clean the square for a football
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> celebration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow. People arriving are occupying the surrounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> streets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being clubbed by riot police who do not have id badges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are calling for more camps this evening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Chris Pinchen*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cataspanglish.com>http://cataspanglish.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://twitter.com/cataspanglish>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/cataspanglish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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