[P2P-F] The Revolution Business - the staged "Arab Spring"

[mark jagdev]

Totally agree Michel, thanks for bringing out the reductionist nature of
these analyses, which are so far from the truth it appears quite funny, but
also sad. I remember as an immature student buying into conspiracies like
this, and to some extent I still hold them as representing a potential truth
(however small, if any). My mind has remained open but luckily I have sought
to hold more complexity - which reductionists and their adherents seem to
shy away from in favor of the simple answer.

Mark


On 13 June 2011 00:45, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi Mark
>
> here's an example of why such theories are eminently reductionist ...
>
> I could easily say that because your inaugural session was done in the
> building of EnlighteNext that it was a front for Andrew Cohen and engineered
> by them, but that wouldn't be true ...
>
> SImilarly, because the US has a democracy discourse, some organisations
> that fund democracy training, that doesn't mean that the Arab people, and
> the youth that risked their lives, have no agency ...  It was a complex
> process with multiple causes, including to the very end actually opposition
> from the American government to the change ...
>
> I attented to Mekong ICT training camps in video activism and such here in
> thailand, funded by western liberal foundations, but attented by local
> activists, most of them 'progressives' .. does that makes them tool of the
> German state .. not at all, they look for what they can get, given the lack
> of resources in that area here ... One has to be mindful of such 'gifts' of
> course, but that doesn't mean there is a linear influence of such funding
> and whatever would happen in the country,
>
> Michel
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:27 AM, mark jagdev <markjagdev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Whatever the 'truth' maybe future (crowd/people) revolutions should be
>> funded by the crowd i.e. crowdfunding? Not rely on state or private
>> interests. Conspiracy theorists wont be able to make money or gain appeal
>> from that kinda story will they?...
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 12 June 2011 08:30, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> orchestrated to the finest details hmmm ... glad they cracked that secret
>>> to the unfolding of human history ... we can all go to sleep now, confident
>>> in the knowledge there is no human agency, only successfull and perfect
>>> conspiracies ...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:24 AM, David Rose <dr4823 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This new video about the staged nature of the "Arab Spring" looks
>>>> interesting. I love the bit about the fake video game created by the
>>>> CIA,
>>>> on how to start a revolution.  As the V/O says: "today, young people
>>>> don't like to read books".
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8&
>>>>
>>>> http://www.journeyman.tv/
>>>>
>>>> The Revolution Business
>>>>
>>>> "Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was
>>>> what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically
>>>> planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in
>>>> advance?"
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