[P2P-F] conservative critique of commons in Germany

Mon Jul 25 05:01:55 CEST 2011

hi silke,

when you write that blogpost, let me know!!

On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Silke Helfrich <Silke.Helfrich at gmx.de>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree as well, 100%, but I have two points to add:
>
> It looks like they don't know what they want:
> on one hand they damn the state (as an alternative to the market)
> on the other hand they praise it, (f.i.: nobody needs the commons
> because there are limits to private property everywhere, btw - that's
> what they call the "enclosure of private property")
> IN their example - Europe as public good (whereas they should have
> analized the commons) - they express a very hierarchical and exlusive
> notion of the State where not even NGOs are welcome (they call it:
> "NGOization", but the State should be the only decision maker etc, etc.
>
> Let me add a quote:
> "essentially the commons debate is usefull in one aspect: to put a price
> on free goods in order to reduce their consumption".
> The constantly mix up everything.
>
> It is actually not worth to invest more time on this, as Stefan said,
> not at an international level, but we have to respond publicly in German
> to this article, at least I intend to write a blogpost about, because
> the journal where this article is confronted to an essay I wrote
> together with Felix Stein is actually read be decision makers. And it is
> a great opportunity to react.
> The author is the chief-editor of a german business oriented newspaper
> (Wirtschaftswoche). I was ask to propose sbd from the conservative side
> to write this essay, but I just don't know anybody with a coherent
> analisis. Therefore I was very keen to see whom they choosed and with
> which results. Well, the results are disappointing.
>
> All the best
> Silke
>
>
> IOn Sun, 2011-07-24 at 16:35 +0200, Brigitte Kratzwald wrote:
> > I absolutely agree with stefan, no more points to add!
> >
> > regards
> > brigitte
> >
> > Am Sonntag, den 24.07.2011, 11:20 +0200 schrieb Stefan Meretz:
> > > Dear Michel,
> > >
> > > just flew over the article, and find completely not interesting enough
> to
> > > invest more time. The authors simply didn't get the point, or, I guess,
> > > they intentionally miss it. Very brief the content:
> > > - commons discourse is backward oriented
> > > - throws away 200 years of scientific knowledge
> > > - argues only morally
> > > - expresses discomfort with technology and modernity
> > > - there is no contradiction between common and private good
> > > - it is rather a continuum, because private property is limited too
> > > - commons = common property = public good
> > > - Hardin was right, the tragedy of the commons "is an historical fact"
> > > - only private property can limit total waste of environment
> > > - sucessful example: CO2 certificates (and trade with them)
> > > - the second part of the article is about "europe as a common good"
> > > (where common good = public good = state governed good)
> > >
> > > Found no serious counter argument. Conservatives do not require to be
> > > serious, they simply play with prejudices.
> > >
> > > Maybe Silke or Brigitte are more gracious with their judgement...
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > > PS: Please change my address to stefan at meretz.de in your address list.
> > >
> > > On 2011-07-20 04:40, Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > > > Dear Stefan,
> > > >
> > > > I was told this was a conservative counter-argument against the
> > > > commons in Germany,
> > > >
> > > > would it be possible to tell us the gist of it in english? eventually
> > > > for publication?
> > > >
> > > > see
> > > >
> http://www.bpb.de/publikationen/OMIL3U,0,Vom_eigenen_Garten_zur_weltw
> > > > eiten_Ressourcenverteilung_Essay.html
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

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