hi silke,<br><br>when you write that blogpost, let me know!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Silke Helfrich <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Silke.Helfrich@gmx.de">Silke.Helfrich@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I agree as well, 100%, but I have two points to add:<br>
<br>
It looks like they don't know what they want:<br>
on one hand they damn the state (as an alternative to the market)<br>
on the other hand they praise it, (f.i.: nobody needs the commons<br>
because there are limits to private property everywhere, btw - that's<br>
what they call the "enclosure of private property")<br>
IN their example - Europe as public good (whereas they should have<br>
analized the commons) - they express a very hierarchical and exlusive<br>
notion of the State where not even NGOs are welcome (they call it:<br>
"NGOization", but the State should be the only decision maker etc, etc.<br>
<br>
Let me add a quote:<br>
"essentially the commons debate is usefull in one aspect: to put a price<br>
on free goods in order to reduce their consumption".<br>
The constantly mix up everything.<br>
<br>
It is actually not worth to invest more time on this, as Stefan said,<br>
not at an international level, but we have to respond publicly in German<br>
to this article, at least I intend to write a blogpost about, because<br>
the journal where this article is confronted to an essay I wrote<br>
together with Felix Stein is actually read be decision makers. And it is<br>
a great opportunity to react.<br>
The author is the chief-editor of a german business oriented newspaper<br>
(Wirtschaftswoche). I was ask to propose sbd from the conservative side<br>
to write this essay, but I just don't know anybody with a coherent<br>
analisis. Therefore I was very keen to see whom they choosed and with<br>
which results. Well, the results are disappointing.<br>
<br>
All the best<br>
<font color="#888888">Silke<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
IOn Sun, 2011-07-24 at 16:35 +0200, Brigitte Kratzwald wrote:<br>
> I absolutely agree with stefan, no more points to add!<br>
><br>
> regards<br>
> brigitte<br>
><br>
> Am Sonntag, den 24.07.2011, 11:20 +0200 schrieb Stefan Meretz:<br>
> > Dear Michel,<br>
> ><br>
> > just flew over the article, and find completely not interesting enough to<br>
> > invest more time. The authors simply didn't get the point, or, I guess,<br>
> > they intentionally miss it. Very brief the content:<br>
> > - commons discourse is backward oriented<br>
> > - throws away 200 years of scientific knowledge<br>
> > - argues only morally<br>
> > - expresses discomfort with technology and modernity<br>
> > - there is no contradiction between common and private good<br>
> > - it is rather a continuum, because private property is limited too<br>
> > - commons = common property = public good<br>
> > - Hardin was right, the tragedy of the commons "is an historical fact"<br>
> > - only private property can limit total waste of environment<br>
> > - sucessful example: CO2 certificates (and trade with them)<br>
> > - the second part of the article is about "europe as a common good"<br>
> > (where common good = public good = state governed good)<br>
> ><br>
> > Found no serious counter argument. Conservatives do not require to be<br>
> > serious, they simply play with prejudices.<br>
> ><br>
> > Maybe Silke or Brigitte are more gracious with their judgement...<br>
> ><br>
> > Ciao,<br>
> > Stefan<br>
> ><br>
> > PS: Please change my address to <a href="mailto:stefan@meretz.de">stefan@meretz.de</a> in your address list.<br>
> ><br>
> > On 2011-07-20 04:40, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
> > > Dear Stefan,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I was told this was a conservative counter-argument against the<br>
> > > commons in Germany,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > would it be possible to tell us the gist of it in english? eventually<br>
> > > for publication?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > see<br>
> > > <a href="http://www.bpb.de/publikationen/OMIL3U,0,Vom_eigenen_Garten_zur_weltw" target="_blank">http://www.bpb.de/publikationen/OMIL3U,0,Vom_eigenen_Garten_zur_weltw</a><br>
> > > eiten_Ressourcenverteilung_Essay.html<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
><br>
<br>
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