[P2P-F] an update on fon open wife

[Michel Bauwens]

oh my ... what's on a man's mind <g>

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:

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> Hi Michel,
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> I love the typo in the subject line...
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> Much merriment if one carries forward a similar change through the text :)
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> From: p2p-foundation-bounces at lists.ourproject.org [mailto:
> p2p-foundation-bounces at lists.ourproject.org] On Behalf Of Michel Bauwens**
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> Sent: ****Wednesday, July 20, 2011** **1:37 AM******
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> To: p2p-foundation****
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> Subject: [P2P-F] an update on fon open wife****
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> Michiel de Jong <michiel at unhosted.org> Jul **05 10:13PM** +0200 ^****
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> this has some info http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15194360,00.html**
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> and this is relevant to the topic:****
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> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement****
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> so there are two problems with open wife:****
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> - the wife protocol does not have a safe way of being open. it is either**
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> encrypted and closed, or open and unencrypted. This means that open wife**
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> routers suffer from poor security for all protocols except ones that are**
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> themselves secure, like vpn, ssh and https.****
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> - it is (at least in some countries) illegal to give connectivity to****
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> strangers, or at least, it makes you partly responsible for the behaviour
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> those strangers. this is absurd - it is like if you allow people to walk**
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> over your land, and a bank robber uses that path to get away, you become**
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> responsible for helping that bank robber get away over your land. Afaik
> such****
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> rules do not apply to when you allow people to use a path over your land,*
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> but it apparently does apply if you allow people a path over your router.*
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> Anyway, what i understand is that since Fon is a closed club of people
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> Fon owners can use other Fon access points), it's like those cigar bars
> that****
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> evade the non-smoking policy because they are a 'members club' instead of a
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> bar.****
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> Instead of blocking these efforts, governments should take an example from
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> ****Estonia****, a country that understood that universal wife is a good
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> civilized country - something like universal education, health care****
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> etcetera.****
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> http://news.cnet.com/Estonia-sets-shining-Wi-Fi-example/2010-7351_3-5924673.html
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> HTH****
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> Michiel
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