oh my ... what's on a man's mind <g><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:53 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Hi
Michel,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>�</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>I love
the typo in the subject line...</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>�</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Much
merriment if one carries forward a similar change through the text
:)</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span></span></font>�</div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>M</span></font></div>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">-----Original
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">From:
<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michel
Bauwens<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Sent: <u></u><u></u>Wednesday, July 20, 2011<u></u> <u></u>1:37 AM<u></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">To:
p2p-foundation<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Subject: [P2P-F] an update on
fon open wife<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><u></u>�<u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><u></u>�<u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Michiel de Jong
<<a href="mailto:michiel@unhosted.org" target="_blank">michiel@unhosted.org</a>> Jul <u></u>05
10:13PM<u></u> +0200 ^<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">this has some info
<a href="http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15194360,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15194360,00.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">and this is relevant to the
topic:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/open-wireless-movement</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">so there are two problems with
open wife:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">- the wife protocol does not
have a safe way of being open. it is either<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">encrypted and closed, or open
and unencrypted. This means that open wife<u></u><u></u></p><div class="im">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">routers suffer from poor
security for all protocols except ones that are<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">themselves secure, like vpn,
ssh and https.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">- it is (at least in some
countries) illegal to give connectivity to<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">strangers, or at least, it
makes you partly responsible for the behaviour of<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">those strangers. this is absurd
- it is like if you allow people to walk<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">over your land, and a bank
robber uses that path to get away, you become<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">responsible for helping that
bank robber get away over your land. Afaik such<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">rules do not apply to when you
allow people to use a path over your land,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">but it apparently does apply if
you allow people a path over your router.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Anyway, what i understand is
that since Fon is a closed club of people (only<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Fon owners can use other Fon
access points), it's like those cigar bars that<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">evade the non-smoking policy
because they are a 'members club' instead of a<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">bar.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">Instead of blocking these
efforts, governments should take an example from<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u>Estonia<u></u><u></u>,
a country that understood that universal wife is a good thing for
a<u></u><u></u></p><div class="im">
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">civilized country - something
like universal education, health care<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">etcetera.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://news.cnet.com/Estonia-sets-shining-Wi-Fi-example/2010-7351_3-5924673.html" target="_blank">http://news.cnet.com/Estonia-sets-shining-Wi-Fi-example/2010-7351_3-5924673.html</a><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span>�</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;" class="MsoNormal">HTH<u></u><u></u></p>
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