[P2P-F] [Open Manufacturing] Re: The Open Factory - an Open Hardware factory in an Irish Ecovillage.

Mon Jul 18 19:14:54 CEST 2011

is this really what you are proposing Patrick??

i.e. "causing competition between workers to approach maximum and wages to
approach zero"

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius at gmail.com>wrote:

> Atrus wrote:
> > It makes sense as more people want/need/will use
> > a bar of soap then a machine that makes soap.
>
>
> It is economically dangerous to allow users access
> to the Source of that which you intend to sell.
>
> It is true that many users will not or cannot setup,
> operate and maintain the Sources of Production.
>
> But when those unskilled users gain full access to
> those Sources (and ownership is the ultimate access),
> they can then hire anyone that happens to have those
> skills, causing competition between workers to
> approach maximum and wages to approach zero.
>
> Profit disappear in a puff of greasy smoke, since,
> though the unskilled users must pay all the costs
> of production, including wages to any workers, they
> cannot pay Profit because they do not buy the
> Product, but own it already as a side-effect of
> their owning the Sources.
>
>
>
> Manufacturing will be far closer to 'Open' when we
> begin helping users gain co-owership in the Sources
> of all the things they need.
>
> The Sources of food are self-replicating, solar-powered,
> manufacturing plants that we do not yet know how
> to co-own for our own, mutual, use-value benefit.
>
>
> The keys to operating in this GNU way are:
>
> 1. Organize users to pre-pay for the products they need.
>
> 2. Those investors become the co-owners of Physical Sources.
>
> 3. Skilled users can commit Work toward that production.
>
> 4. Unskilled users can commit Land or Capital.
>
> 5. The return for those investments is the product itself.
>
> 6. The product is not sold because it is already allocated
>   to the persons who intend to *use* it.
>
> 7. In the special case of surplus, the product can be sold
>   to 'outsiders' (users with insufficient ownership), and
>   Profit should be charged against those latecomers, but
>   some percentage of that Profit must be treated as though
>   it were an investment from the user who paid it.
>
> 8. Treating profit as user investment causes those payers
>   to slowly gain co-ownership in the Sources of Production
>   as they become the proprietors of the growth they caused
>   when they paid more than cost.
>
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