is this really what you are proposing Patrick??<br><br>i.e. "causing competition between workers to approach maximum and wages to approach zero"<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Patrick Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agnucius@gmail.com">agnucius@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">Atrus wrote:<br>
> It makes sense as more people want/need/will use<br>
> a bar of soap then a machine that makes soap.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>It is economically dangerous to allow users access<br>
to the Source of that which you intend to sell.<br>
<br>
It is true that many users will not or cannot setup,<br>
operate and maintain the Sources of Production.<br>
<br>
But when those unskilled users gain full access to<br>
those Sources (and ownership is the ultimate access),<br>
they can then hire anyone that happens to have those<br>
skills, causing competition between workers to<br>
approach maximum and wages to approach zero.<br>
<br>
Profit disappear in a puff of greasy smoke, since,<br>
though the unskilled users must pay all the costs<br>
of production, including wages to any workers, they<br>
cannot pay Profit because they do not buy the<br>
Product, but own it already as a side-effect of<br>
their owning the Sources.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Manufacturing will be far closer to 'Open' when we<br>
begin helping users gain co-owership in the Sources<br>
of all the things they need.<br>
<br>
The Sources of food are self-replicating, solar-powered,<br>
manufacturing plants that we do not yet know how<br>
to co-own for our own, mutual, use-value benefit.<br>
<br>
<br>
The keys to operating in this GNU way are:<br>
<br>
1. Organize users to pre-pay for the products they need.<br>
<br>
2. Those investors become the co-owners of Physical Sources.<br>
<br>
3. Skilled users can commit Work toward that production.<br>
<br>
4. Unskilled users can commit Land or Capital.<br>
<br>
5. The return for those investments is the product itself.<br>
<br>
6. The product is not sold because it is already allocated<br>
� to the persons who intend to *use* it.<br>
<br>
7. In the special case of surplus, the product can be sold<br>
� to 'outsiders' (users with insufficient ownership), and<br>
� Profit should be charged against those latecomers, but<br>
� some percentage of that Profit must be treated as though<br>
� it were an investment from the user who paid it.<br>
<br>
8. Treating profit as user investment causes those payers<br>
� to slowly gain co-ownership in the Sources of Production<br>
� as they become the proprietors of the growth they caused<br>
� when they paid more than cost.<br>
<br>
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