[P2P-F] "Le travail dans la sortie du capitalisme" - Jean Zin

[Dante-Gabryell Monson]

we have access to the technology.

the proprietary software exists, for use by multinationals,
for example - SAP : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_AG ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAP_ERP

( I am not a specialist in SAP )

We have access to the internet ( for how long till it gets further
"filtered" ? )

We have the technology to build a more distributed internet,
and we have the skills to build a libre software for resource allocation and
alternative forms of emergent governance and finance...

So... I agree.

We can do it.
We are doing it.

But not with much/enough resources,

hence one of my priorities being to support approaches that make it easier
to converge resources and enable such forms of distributed organization.

I personally do this while struggling for my own survival.
And I am aware a number of people sharing such intentions,
including some more technically skilled then me ( such as certain
programmers )
struggle for surviving while pursuing development of libre approaches.

Hopefully not for too long...



2011/7/9 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>

> I disagree, we really have all we need to work together globally ...
>
> if multinationals can do it, why not we?
>
> we now have access to superior technology than most multinationals had 15
> years ago,
>
> Michel
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> 2011/7/9 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
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>> yes, my interpretation is that it depends on our capacity to set up
>> information systems to (self) organize.
>>
>>
>> a suggestion :
>>
>> http://sharewiki.org/en/Transaction_Graphs
>>
>> if there is no opportunity / tool for more complex information systems for
>> alternative meta-data / vectors to be used as "stigmergic" tool,
>> it may be easier to use face to face , possibly lower complexity,
>> economies... as suggested by Jean Zin ?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/7/9 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>
>>> I actually disagree with Jean Zin when he says that there is 'only
>>> localization' and not other forms of 'alterglobalization' that are in our
>>> interests ...
>>>
>>> as christian arnsperger says, 'selective localization, responsible
>>> deglobalization' (or the other way around?) ...
>>>
>>> there must be room not just for global immaterial commons, but also for
>>> global economic phyles ..
>>>
>>> Michel
>>>
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>>> 2011/7/8 Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jeanzin.fr/index.php?post%2F2010%2F09%2F10%2FLe-travail-dans-la-sortie-du-capitalisme
>>>> ( Jean Zin )
>>>>
>>>> voir aussi :
>>>> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/
>>>> ( Kevin Carson )
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> Jean Zin :
>>>>
>>>> "On ne s'en tirera pas en se tournant les pouces. Il y a tout un
>>>> travail à faire pour sortir du capitalisme et qui consiste principalement à
>>>> organiser le travail en dehors du capitalisme et donc du salariat,
>>>> donner les moyens de passer du travail forcé au travail choisi, *libération
>>>> du travail* *comparable à l'abolition de l'esclavage et que certains
>>>> appellent un peu rapidement la fin du travail alors que ce n'est que la fin
>>>> (relative) du salariat et du marché du travail.*"
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *...*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *"Il n'y a que des alternatives locales à la globalisation marchande<http://jeanzin.fr/ecorevo/grit/altern.htm>,
>>>> c'est notre réalité, notre environnement, c'est le territoire qu'il nous
>>>> faut réhabiter et qui nous ramène sur terre, y compris dans les rapports
>>>> avec nos concitoyens."*
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *"équilibrer la globalisation marchande par une relocalisation de
>>>> l'économie et des alternatives locales dans une économie plurielle<http://jeanzin.fr/index.php?post/2009/09/07/Un-seul-monde-plusieurs-systemes>,
>>>> au lieu de rêver à une conversion planétaire de l'humanité toute entière à
>>>> une nouvelle religion écologiste ou quelque autre conception totalitaire qui
>>>> voudrait arrêter l'histoire, contrôler nos désirs et uniformiser le monde."
>>>> *
>>>>
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