[P2P-F] Plato's Ideal City vs. Open Source / P2P Urbanism

Mon Jul 4 12:01:09 CEST 2011

Plato was explicitely anti-democratic,

however, it is my view that p2p takes away to a substantial degree the
objections of Plato, by its potential global scaling of small group dynamics
...

p2p invites to see a polarity between abundance and scarcity, non-rival and
rival,

to the degree we have abundance we have poly-archy, the free aggregation of
individuals through affinity and according to community-based social norms;
to the degree resources are scarce and need to be allocated, we need
democracy, market allocation or hierarchical allocation, with a preference
for the first ...

what we can learn from the greek polis is the sortition arrangements, which
prevented the accumulation of political power,

see http://p2pfoundation.net/Kleroterians ;
http://p2pfoundation.net/Sortition

Michel

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:20 AM, George Dafermos <G.N.Dafermos at tudelft.nl>wrote:

>  Not really. it's very difficult to see how a city that excludes poets and
> artists could be considered 'open-source'. in addition, direct-democratic
> procedures (the p2p part) don't scale very well in plato's city: according
> to plato, an increase of citizens beyond a certain size (basically the
> number of people that can assemble in a single spot) necessitates
> differentiation and stratification. that is to say, it creates the need for
> a social stratum of specialists entrusted with public administration. in my
> opinion, rule by the few (no matter how enlightened they are) is certainly
> not a p2p outcome..
>
> x,
> g.
>
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> *Subject:* [P2P-F] Plato's Ideal City vs. Open Source / P2P Urbanism
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>   Hi All,
>
> Has Plato's Ideal City anything to do with Open Source / P2P Urbanism?
>
> How about most notable differences?
>
> Best,
>
> Geo
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