Plato was explicitely anti-democratic,<br><br>however, it is my view that p2p takes away to a substantial degree the objections of Plato, by its potential global scaling of small group dynamics ...<br><br>p2p invites to see a polarity between abundance and scarcity, non-rival and rival,<br>
<br>to the degree we have abundance we have poly-archy, the free aggregation of individuals through affinity and according to community-based social norms; to the degree resources are scarce and need to be allocated, we need democracy, market allocation or hierarchical allocation, with a preference for the first ...<br>
<br>what we can learn from the greek polis is the sortition arrangements, which prevented the accumulation of political power,<br><br>see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Kleroterians">http://p2pfoundation.net/Kleroterians</a> ; <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Sortition">http://p2pfoundation.net/Sortition</a><br>
<br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:20 AM, George Dafermos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:G.N.Dafermos@tudelft.nl">G.N.Dafermos@tudelft.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt;">Not really. it's very difficult to see how a city that excludes poets and artists could be considered 'open-source'. in addition, direct-democratic procedures (the p2p part) don't
scale very well in plato's city: according to plato, an increase of citizens beyond a certain size (basically the number of people that can assemble in a single spot) necessitates differentiation and stratification. that is to say, it creates the need for
a social stratum of specialists entrusted with public administration. in my opinion, rule by the few (no matter how enlightened they are) is certainly not a p2p outcome..<br>
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Has Plato's Ideal City anything to do with Open Source / P2P Urbanism?<br>
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How about most notable differences?<br>
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