[P2P-F] Dutch Tree Study

Sat Jan 22 12:39:07 CET 2011

Hi!

- Important issue. I have tried to find more info on the Dutch research - but there is nothing published yet. Secondly, the researcher seems to have mentioned that the research are preliminary and that the first results do not confirm that electromagnetic radiation affects trees (this article is written by a Dutch governmental office):

http://www.antennebureau.nl/actueel/nieuws/2010/eerste-indruk-kennisplatform-onderzoek-naar-bomen-en-wifi-zendsignalen

Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antennebureau.nl%2Factueel%2Fnieuws%2F2010%2Feerste-indruk-kennisplatform-onderzoek-naar-bomen-en-wifi-zendsignalen&act=url

- Respected Dutch scientist Lucas Reijnders held an excellent presentation on radiation: 

http://collegerama.tudelft.nl/mediasite/SilverlightPlayer/Default.aspx?peid=bb4f9142b45549baa4526cf725b65a431d

Don't know hot to translate. In an interview at the end he mentions that he uses only cables at home and no mobile phone (combination of not wanting to be disrupted by the mobile phone + knowledge about radiation).

- In my teaching I use this great (English-language) Norwegian state television (NRK) documentary on radiation. They focus on how standards are made. Perfect for teaching the politics/ethics of standards:

Documentary: http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/428197/ 
Article: http://www.nrk.no/programmer/tv/brennpunkt/1.6292981

I live in Norway so I can access this documentary. Not sure if you need a Norwegian IP to get access. Otherwise try Youtube or other services.

Greetings,

Maja

On Jan 22, 2011, at 10:43 , Michel Bauwens wrote:

> very useful Sepp, I created a new entry for our health category,
> 
> Michel
> 
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp at lastrega.com> wrote:
> Dear Michel, others. 
> 
> There is indeed plenty of information on the health effects of electromagnetic waves, so much that a few newsletters exist that specialize in compiling articles published about this.
> 
> One is run by Redaktion Buergerwelle at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emf-omega-news/
> 
> another one is EMR Updates, run by Paul Doyon and also published through a Yahoo group:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfrefugee/
> 
> Some more details on electromagnetic waves affecting trees are here
> 
> 
> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech_cellphonesmicrowave26.htm
> and another article by David Rothscum that puts the dangers of the radiation in even more explicit terms than this one can be found here:
> 
> 
> http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2011/01/this-is-death-of-humanity-part-7.html
> Having followed the thread of dangers from electromagnetic waves as used in digital mobile phone technology, I can only confirm that there is a huge situation that we are not properly looking at. Scientific studies cannot be trusted as there is plenty of money to corrupt the science. Governments cannot be trusted as they are – through spectrum auctions – clearly on the same money train as the mobile phone providers.
> 
> So we have a situation. Damaging technology that can potentially unravel our DNA and cause all kinds of illness in the short space of one or two generations, held in place by misinformation, by suppression of reports of the dangers of those waves, and by money interests of investors who don’t care whether their business kills people … as long as the bottom line is right.
> 
> I put this on a comment of Michel's article on the P2P Foundation blog.
> 
> There are also some articles on my health site that warn of dangers from the mobile phone and similar radiation.
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> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2005/12/14/the_cell_phone_experiment_is_mobile_communication_worth_the_risk.htm
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> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2006/04/20/mobile_and_wireless_largest_biological_experiment.htm
> 
> Kind regards
> Sepp
> 
> 
> "The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"
> 
> http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/  
> http://www.laleva.org
> http://blog.hasslberger.com/ 
> http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger
> http://twitter.com/healthsupreme
> 
> .
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> On Jan 21, 2011, at 7:10 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
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>> Dear friends,
>> 
>> this is an update to our article on the health impact of cellphones, I'm not sure who asked for for info about the impact on humans instead of just trees, but see below,
>> 
>> sepp, an updated commentarty to that article would still be very welcome, for example with links to the material below.
>> 
>> Michel
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: <morrisonbooks at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dutch Tree Study
>> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Michel,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for your effort.  I found this site which looks comprehensive.   http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.boomaantastingen.nl/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.nl&usg=ALkJrhhRNsgVezoiZDDQVmE-yL0HjfCMRw 
>> 
>> also this article came out on the WEEP website
>> Kindest REgards,
>> David Morrison
>> 
>> This Is The Death Of Humanity - part 7
>> 
>> Thursday, January 20, 2011
>> 
>> http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2011/01/this-is-death-of-humanity-part-7.html
>> 
>> Who do you think you're kidding?
>> 
>> Let's make some things clear: Cell phones cause cancer. Cell phone towers cause cancer. Cordless phones cause cancer. Blackberries cause cancer, Iphones cause cancer. Power lines cause cancer. Radio and TV towers cause cancer. Non-ionizing radiation leads to oxidative damage, which leads to indirect DNA damage, which leads to cancer.
>> 
>> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Wireless communication is irreconcilable with organic life as we know it. In the words of Andrew Goldsworthy: "The problem is far more serious than anyone has previously imagined. The effects on people with EHS and allergy-related conditions are bad enough in their own right but, with about half the world's population already owning a mobile phone, the resulting widespread genetic damage threatens the future of the entire human race. "
>> 
>> But why should I bother? Everyone knows about it. Everyone knows the radiation is hurting us. Everyone except for first year physics students that is. The Telecom industry knows all too well that we have no future. Biologists know what's going on. Most people are simply uncomfortable with the thought, so they deny it. This is called cognitive dissonance. As explained by Wikipedia:
>> Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions. Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.
>> A good example is found on Wikipedia as well:
>> Smoking is often postulated as an example of cognitive dissonance because it is widely accepted that cigarettes can cause lung cancer, yet virtually everyone wants to live a long and healthy life. In terms of the theory, the desire to live a long life is dissonant with the activity of doing something that will most likely shorten one's life. The tension produced by these contradictory ideas can be reduced by quitting smoking, denying the evidence of lung cancer, or justifying one's smoking.[5] For example, smokers could rationalize their behavior by concluding that only a few smokers become ill, that it only happens to very heavy smokers, or that if smoking does not kill them, something else will.[6] While chemical addiction may operate in addition to cognitive dissonance for existing smokers, new smokers may exhibit a simpler case of the latter.
>> Now for cell phones:
>> 
>> The information is that cell phones cause brain cancer. Your desire is not to get brain cancer, but to live a long and happy life. You don't want your kids to get a brain tumor either. The rational conclusion would thus be to avoid the radiation. However, you don't want to. It takes too much effort. Also, everyone is using cell phones. This would mean that everyone is screwed, and you have no future. The thought of humanity having no future contradicts your desire to live a long and happy life.
>> 
>> Thus, you have to reconcile these different thought patterns in your head. There are multiple ways. You could stop using cell phones and go live in a cave. But you don't want that. You could be like me, and learn to live with the fact that the next generations are going to have it worse than ours, and life expectancy will plummet. Someone will manage to put a ban on the radiation eventually, though the question is how many people will be left by then. I'm sure some people will be left, it's very hard to go from 6 billion to zero, and we still have people hiding in the rain-forests where you have no connection, but the exact number that will be left remains debatable.
>> 
>> My way of dealing with these contradictory ideas is as following: I begrudgingly accept the fact that I will probably die at a younger age than my parents, and I accept the fact that most people are going to suffer immensely from the health consequences. There are multiple ways to attempt to reduce the damage (and I will eventually cover those here), but I remain rational, and the only way to truly prevent the problem is by turning off the cell phone towers and all the wireless devices. Until then, anything you do is little more than treating the symptoms of radiation poisoning.
>> 
>> There are other ways to reduce the cognitive dissonance of course. You can simply deny the information. One way to deny the information is by keeping yourself willfully ignorant. Most people practice this method. You just don't read about it and just don't think about it. You try not to think at all. The fact of the matter is that thinking leads to cognitive dissonance, and cognitive dissonance is a very uncomfortable feeling (that I love to generate), so you do your best to limit your thinking to the minimum amount which is necessary for you to carry out your job. This is a time-tested method.
>> 
>> This is passive denial, you could also actively deny the information by claiming that cell phones don't cause brain cancer at all. In that case, you're just wrong. I'm sorry, the debate is over. Everyone knows. An alternating electrical field is currently used as a brain cancer treatment. Why? Because the radiation kills the brain cells while they're dividing, which is when cells are most vulnerable to the radiation. Why are you questioning whether the radiation can harm cells, when it is effectively being used as a cancer treatment? Read this for yourself, the frequency is in the 100Khz-300Khz range. This is low-frequency, lower even than microwave radiation. I suspect this is to allow the radiation to penetrate deeper into the brain. Regardless, the point should be clear. Non-ionizing radiation is used as a cancer treatment, because it kills the cells. What is it that makes you think that you can safely hold a radiation emitting device against your head?
>> 
>> Even the telecom industry is laughing in your face. They know better, they are fully aware of the health impact this will have. Take a look at this patent of a Swiss Telecom company, which carries the highly original name, Swisscom. The patent explains how they have developed a new type of cordless telephone, that emits less radiation than previous ones. And what is so amazing? The fact that they mention themselves that the radiation causes cancer! The telecom industry admits in patents for their technology, that their technology causes cancer! But your government pretends there is no danger! And best of all, you swallow their lies!
>> 
>> From the patent:
>> The influence of electrosmog on the human body is a known problem. The health risk from mobile radio transmitters, handys and DECT telephones has been an explosive subject among the general public at least since the enormous breakthrough in mobile radio technology in the 1990s. To meet the concerns of science from the legislative side, the permissible limit values have thus been lowered several times, and technology has been increasingly focused on this problem. The risk of damage to health through electrosmog has also become better understood as a result of more recent and improved studies. When, for example, human blood cells are irradiated with electromagnetic fields, clear damage to hereditary material has been demonstrated and there have been indications of an increased cancer risk.
>> When a Telecom company wants to sell their own product, they suddenly admit that the radiation is causing DNA damage! And you, the dumb gullible fool, deny there is a problem. Everyone knows, except for you. They're laughing in your face. Though, I imagine they must also suffer from guilt feelings.
>> 
>> I wonder what method the people who sell you this garbage use to reduce the cognitive dissonance. I suspect they might simply introduce new information: "The fact that I am responsible for the death of humanity contradicts my desire not to be a mass murderer. However, the profit I make from exterminating humanity fulfills my desire to become rich".
>> 
>> As I mentioned earlier, I like generating cognitive dissonance. So, hoping that some Telecom-gangsters will read this far, I will leave them with the words of Bob Dylan:
>> 
>> Let me ask you one question: Is your money that good? Will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could? I think you will find, when your death takes its toll, all the money you made will never buy back your soul.
>> 
>> Telecom-gangsters, please be aware that leaking memos of your mob-bosses to the internet (no need to use Wikileaks for that, Julian Assange will just put them somewhere in his giant insurance file which he uses to keep himself from getting killed), quitting your job, going public by warning people about the danger, or simply giving away ALL the dirty money you earned to the poor (and keeping your mouth shut about it, no bragging) will do a lot to clean the karma stains from your soul. Get the dirty money out of your life, now. It is the first step towards self improvement. You know it's wrong for you to make money by selling stuff that hurts people.                   Here's a little secret: You will feel more alive when you get the money out of your life. You just became a little wiser, and with wisdom comes peace of mind.
>> 
>> Now, unlike the Telecom-gangsters, some of you will have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. You might want to read some of the earlier articles I've written:
>> 
>> -Here's one all the way back from March of 2009, looking at 3 studies that found a big link between living next to a cell phone tower, and getting cancer.
>> 
>> This article should really have been part of this series:
>> 
>> -It's all over in fifty years.
>> 
>> Gaia is crying, because you killed her children to tell your friend about the ugly dress your coworker wore to the office party:*
>> -You killed the birds, the bees, the frogs, the bats and the trees 
>> 
>> *That puts things in perspective doesn't it? Your cell-phone conversations are a big disgrace to the human race. Stop embarrassing us any further.
>> 
>> And, the most recent one:
>> 
>> New research confirms: Electromagnetic omnicide is culling the trees
>> Now, if you feel like crying at any point while reading, because you're not a bitter misanthropist yet, please remember the words of Bill Hicks: It's all just a ride. Always keep this in mind during the death of humanity. You might still cry while watching the video though. But they'll be a different kind of tears.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> Dear Sepp,
>>> 
>>> just in case you have easier access this type of info:
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>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear David,
>>> 
>>> I'm  not the author, but here you can find his details: http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-research-confirms-electromagnetic.html
>>> 
>>> and he refers to http://www.tuinenlandschap.nl/nieuws/3916/bomen-hebben-last-van-elektromagnetische-straling
>>> 
>>> this dutch article only mentions the city and the name of the uni:
>>> 
>>> recent onderzoek van de gemeente Alphen aan den Rijn en de leerstoelgroep plantcelbiologie (Wageningen Universiteit). 
>>> 
>>> If you can't find more through the original author, I could look for dutch contacts who can help, but thanks for trying there first,
>>> 
>>> Michel
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, <morrisonbooks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Dear Michel,
>>> 
>>> I read the Dutch Tree Study about wireless and would like to know if you have a link to the study itself.  I am pursuing a legal case against the school system here in Oregon, USA for installing wi fi in the schools and think that this study could be useful in my case.  Thank you for providing this information.  I have subscribed to your newsletter and linked the story to my website (below).  What a sorry state we are in and all for greed and stupidity.  Business as usual.
>>> 
>>> Kindest Regards,
>>> 
>>> David Morrison / Portland OR
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