[P2P-F] [P2P-URBANISM WA] Any of you use map layering for p2p urbanism open collab

Fri Jan 21 06:36:07 CET 2011

Dear Franz,

my reference is only to the West, where presently the percent of people in
agri-production  must be around 2-5%, but according to calculations, could
regrow to be up to 20% under a post-Peak-OIl smart organic scenario, which
needs more human intervention. I'm not sure where I got that number from,
but perhaps Sam or Steve know more, as they are active in this agrifood
movement,

Michel

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada at reflex.at> wrote:

>  Thanks Michel for the kind mentioning!  Sorry I do not follow this list
> all the time.
>
> I am getting a bit puzzled if you mean "rural" or "urban" population in
> your last sentence.
>
> I think the 80 rural - 20 urban ratio is desireable, IF and only IF human
> beings in rural areas have local clusters and subcenters where they can
> physically access the amenities of support that the modern world provides.
>
> IT can make a village intelligent, it can make a small town
> superintelligent.
>
> Global Villages is a strategy of redesign, to make rural areas really
> agreeable. I consider it as a kind of fully fledged branch of urbanism by
> the way. I think Nikos gave me a great portion of encouragement ...
>
> ---
>
> Miguel, I am very interested  in your work in Brazil, sounds exciting to
> me!
>
> my friend Arthur Spiegler developed a "conference on the small town" that
> led to the ASSET project. (Action to strenthen and support small European
> towns)
>
> a very neglected area, even Christopher Alexander does not analyze the
> relation between the town and its hinterland in greater detail. But of
> course he gives a hundred time more consideration than the mainstream.
>
> I canned a basic speech by Phil Turner / Pam Moore from the recent 4th
> Symposium on Small Towns here at slideshare which describes the goals of
> ASSET:
> http://www.slideshare.net/globalvillagesinfo/phil-turner-pam-moore-the-asset-of-the-project-ecovast
>
> I was chairman of ECOVAST Austria for some time, I hope we can link P2P
> Urbanism to this topic and people!
>
> Franz
>
>
>
> *Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> *wrote *:*
> A remark on ruralization. I don't think we should empty out the cities, but
> nevertheless, a new balance may be necessary. As I see it, people leave
> rural areas for two main reasons, one is they have to for reasons of
> economic survival, as capitalist dynamics destroy their livelyhoods; but the
> other one is cultural: many young people, leave rural areas for cultural
> reasons, they see no dynamic future in their static and isolated rural
> areas. Here is where the Global Villages strategy of Franz Nahrada comes in,
> the use digital connectivity, empowerement and peer learning to de-isolate
> the rural. I can take my own life as an example, I can be a throught leader
> from a provincial city in the forests of northern thailand, a place which
> two generations ago was still three days travel from the capital city, but
> is now connected through global satellites and broadband internet, and I
> feel hardly any sense of isolation anymore. Of course, I have the cultural
> capital to use these tools, which many still lack, but these are not
> insurmountable problems. Just want to say, it's not either-or, rural or
> urban, but a mix, and my guess is that the relocalization you call for, and
> a return to say organic sustainable agriculture, will require a more labour
> intensive rural area. I've read, again I forgot where, that a sustainable
> world would perhaps require a return to a rural population of about 20%.
>
>
> MIGUEL ALOYSIO SATTLER <masattler at gmail.com> wrote
>
> Actually, after working for several years with cities or
> large communities, we started concentrating in the small
> municipalities. There are, in the whole of more than 5000 Brazilian
> municipalities, more than 70% with less than 20.000 inhabitants. About
> 50% of Brazilians live in these municipalities. I believe that in the
> future a "reverse migration" will occur, according to all scientific
> documentation I have been reading in the last 15 years I have
> dedicated to the study of more sustainable communities. And this will
> happen, I believe, mainly due to lack of food. What we are trying to
> do, is to try do develop directives, strategies, that will help this
> communities to avoid the sort of chaotic growth that resulted in our
> megalopolies. Thus, what we are concentrating on, now, is to develop
> those tools to keep Green Fingers, in their rural-urban tissue; to
> preserve the quality of their water, air and soil; to deal with their
> waste waters; to optimize urban morphology (in harmony with urban
> climatology, solar access); to optimize energy use and efficiency; to
> provide mobility and accessibilty with minimum impacts; to produce
> food diversity and quantity localy (as far as allowed by different
> soil and climate limitations); to keep the population healthy
> (physically, mentally, psicologically and spiritually). This is what
> we are trying our students to do, in class, but also by working close
> to the communities. And Alexander gives us a lot of guindance and
> inspiration...
>
>

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