[P2P-F] P2P-Foundation Digest, Vol 1, Issue 65
Neal Gorenflo
neal at shareable.net
Wed Jan 19 08:37:36 CET 2011
Just wanted to add a perspective to the discussion here about social
networks being new platforms for social activism:
>From Participation to Power: The Potential Pitfalls of Web 2.0
http://www.shareable.net/blog/from-participation-to-power-the-potential-pitfalls-of-web-20
The perspective of Harald Katzmair, Ph.d of FAS.research can summed up
simply: participation is not power. Unless structure appropriately, online
conversations will not move from shared connections, to shared
understanding, to shared action. Unless structured appropriately, it will
disempower participants.
--
Neal Gorenflo | Publisher, http://Shareable.net | 415.867.0429
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> 1. Re: Fwd: New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms
> for social activism?" (Michel Bauwens)
> 2. Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed
> a left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual
> freedom with a conc..." (Michel Bauwens)
> 3. Fwd: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal Proposal
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> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:47:47 +0700
> From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New answer to "Are social networks the new
> platforms for social activism?"
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> I just invited you,
>
> anybody else who needs an invitation let me know,
>
> if't s a great place to learn from knowledgeable people, and also to
> re-share the material we have assembled at the p2p foundation,
>
> Michel
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org
> >wrote:
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> > I tried to create an account, but it told me it is by invitation only...
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> > Michel Bauwens wrote:
> > > thanks Olivier, are you on quora?
> > >
> > > I didn't know about it but am hooked from 'go' ..
> > >
> > > Michel
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:19 PM, olivier auber
> > > <olivierauber2 at gmail.com <mailto:olivierauber2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > In fact the so called "social networks" are "social silos".
> > >
> > > Using the marketing name is just confusing the map and the
> > > territory. And almost everybody does it!
> > >
> > > We should fight on the semantic battlefield by using a term like
> > > "social silo" just like Stallmann says "privative software".
> > > But in this case, that is NOT to say that "social silos" are BAD,
> > > just that they are silos and have their own legitimacy. Other
> > > rules may exist....
> > >
> > > Here is an english translation of a very short french paper about
> > > this confusion and its consequences.
> > >
> > > http://is.gd/URiWqO
> > >
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/1/18 Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com
> > > <mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > well said Sam!
> > >
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> > > From: *Quora* <noreply at quora.com <mailto:noreply at quora.com>>
> > > Date: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:48 PM
> > > Subject: New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms
> > > for social activism?"
> > > To: michelsub2004 at gmail.com <mailto:michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Quora
> > >
> > >
> > > New answer to "Are social networks the new platforms for
> > > social activism?"
> > >
> > >
> > > *Sam Rose*:
> > > I don't think social networks are the "new" platforms for
> > > social activism. Social networks definitely are platforms for
> > > social activism, though.
> > >
> > > Many people do not realize that activity among participant
> > > activists online usually happens across a diverse range of
> > > "Technologies of Cooperation", not limited to social networks,
> > > but also including self and service hosted blogs, wiki sites,
> > > social bookmarking services, email discussion groups like
> > > google groups, yahoogroups and mailman email lists, open
> > > source software like statusnet, and emerging services like
> > > quora. Social networks are only a part of the total picture.
> > >
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> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:59 +0700
> From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There
> is indeed a left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine
> individual freedom with a conc..."
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> Subject: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a
> left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a
> conc..."
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> [image: Quora]Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a
> left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a
> conc..."
> Michael Hamlin commented on your answer "There is indeed a left-libertarian
> tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a conc...":
>
> ""Organization Theory" has been sitting on my desk for many months, but it
> keeps being preempted in my reading queue. Carson's efforts to synthesize
> various schools sometimes feels a bit forced, but I enjoy them.
>
> Sometimes I feel that the C4SS and Carson's "neo-mutalist" system is a
> good,
> well, counterbalance to the Rothbardian advance (not that I am
> anti-Rothbardian). I'm sympathetic and happy for the growth of all these
> libertarian-style systems."
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> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:18:45 +0700
> From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal
> Proposal
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> Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: <Coalition> German and EU Green New Deal Proposal
> To: coalition at googlegroups.com
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>
> ... as the next "Green" capitalist bubble ?
>
> Thank you for sharing that Pdf
>
> http://www.boell.org/downloads/Green-New-Deal.pdf
>
> I somehow tried to participate in the "Green New Deal" debate, including
> sharing understanding of the need for exponential monetary mass growth in a
> capitalist, central bank debt with interest based currency.
>
> I see no mention in that pdf of tackling the problem of monetary
> architectures, and "interest" on credit.
>
> My own feeling , if it was understood, is that such view "disturbed" some
> greens who could influence the agenda.
>
> I was asking how such green new deal would be used... and if it would be
> used to get out of the current capitalist approach.
>
> >From my point of view, maintaining the current system is not green, even
> if
> one puts a layer of green paint on it, creating new markets as to increase
> the monetary mass, and maintain the current non-green system.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:21 AM, George Mokray <gmoke at world.std.com>
> wrote:
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> > 40 page paper from Germany - pdf alert
> >
> >
> http://www.sven-giegold.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Green-New-Deal_en.pdf
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