Just wanted to add a perspective to the discussion here about social networks being new platforms for social activism:<div><br></div><div>From Participation to Power: The Potential Pitfalls of Web 2.0<br><div><a href="http://www.shareable.net/blog/from-participation-to-power-the-potential-pitfalls-of-web-20">http://www.shareable.net/blog/from-participation-to-power-the-potential-pitfalls-of-web-20</a><br clear="all">
<br></div><div>The perspective of Harald Katzmair, Ph.d of FAS.research can summed up simply: participation is not power.  Unless structure appropriately, online conversations will not move from shared connections, to shared understanding, to shared action.  Unless structured appropriately, it will disempower participants.</div>
<div><br>--<br><br>Neal Gorenflo | Publisher, <a href="http://Shareable.net" target="_blank">http://Shareable.net</a> | 415.867.0429<br>
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   1. Re: Fwd: New answer to &quot;Are social networks the new platforms<br>
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   2. Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer &quot;There is indeed<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:47:47 +0700<br>
From: Michel Bauwens &lt;<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: New answer to &quot;Are social networks the new<br>
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I just invited you,<br>
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anybody else who needs an invitation let me know,<br>
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if&#39;t s a great place to learn from knowledgeable people, and also to<br>
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Roberto Verzola &lt;<a href="mailto:rverzola@gn.apc.org">rverzola@gn.apc.org</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
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&gt; I tried to create an account, but it told me it is by invitation only...<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Roberto<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; thanks Olivier, are you on quora?<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I didn&#39;t know about it but am hooked from &#39;go&#39; ..<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Michel<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:19 PM, olivier auber<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com">olivierauber2@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com">olivierauber2@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     In fact the so called &quot;social networks&quot; are &quot;social silos&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     Using the marketing name is just confusing the map and the<br>
&gt; &gt;     territory. And almost everybody does it!<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     We should fight on the semantic battlefield by using a term like<br>
&gt; &gt;     &quot;social silo&quot; just like Stallmann says &quot;privative software&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt;     But in this case, that is NOT to say that &quot;social silos&quot; are BAD,<br>
&gt; &gt;     just that they are silos and have their own legitimacy. Other<br>
&gt; &gt;     rules may exist....<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     Here is an english translation of a very short french paper about<br>
&gt; &gt;     this confusion and its consequences.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     <a href="http://is.gd/URiWqO" target="_blank">http://is.gd/URiWqO</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;     Olivier<br>
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&gt; &gt;     2011/1/18 Michel Bauwens &lt;<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a><br>
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&gt; &gt;         well said Sam!<br>
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&gt; &gt;         for social activism?&quot;<br>
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&gt; &gt;         I don&#39;t think social networks are the &quot;new&quot; platforms for<br>
&gt; &gt;         social activism. Social networks definitely are platforms for<br>
&gt; &gt;         social activism, though.<br>
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&gt; &gt;         source software like statusnet, and emerging services like<br>
&gt; &gt;         quora. Social networks are only a part of the total picture.<br>
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Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer &quot;There<br>
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Subject: Michael Hamlin commented on your answer &quot;There is indeed a<br>
left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a<br>
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[image: Quora]Michael Hamlin commented on your answer &quot;There is indeed a<br>
left-libertarian tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a<br>
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Michael Hamlin commented on your answer &quot;There is indeed a left-libertarian<br>
tradition which aims to combine individual freedom with a conc...&quot;:<br>
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&quot;&quot;Organization Theory&quot; has been sitting on my desk for many months, but it<br>
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Sometimes I feel that the C4SS and Carson&#39;s &quot;neo-mutalist&quot; system is a good,<br>
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:18:45 +0700<br>
From: Michel Bauwens &lt;<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: &lt;Coalition&gt; German and EU Green New Deal<br>
        Proposal<br>
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From: Dante-Gabryell Monson &lt;<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:31 AM<br>
Subject: Re: &lt;Coalition&gt; German and EU Green New Deal Proposal<br>
To: <a href="mailto:coalition@googlegroups.com">coalition@googlegroups.com</a><br>
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... as the next &quot;Green&quot; capitalist bubble ?<br>
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Thank you for sharing that Pdf<br>
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<a href="http://www.boell.org/downloads/Green-New-Deal.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.boell.org/downloads/Green-New-Deal.pdf</a><br>
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I somehow tried to participate in the &quot;Green New Deal&quot; debate, including<br>
sharing understanding of the need for exponential monetary mass growth in a<br>
capitalist, central bank debt with interest based currency.<br>
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I see no mention in that pdf of tackling the problem of monetary<br>
architectures, and &quot;interest&quot; on credit.<br>
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My own feeling , if it was understood, is that such view &quot;disturbed&quot; some<br>
greens who could influence the agenda.<br>
<br>
I was asking how such green new deal would be used... and if it would be<br>
used to get out of the current capitalist approach.<br>
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&gt;From my point of view, maintaining the current system is not green, even if<br>
one puts a layer of green paint on it, creating new markets as to increase<br>
the monetary mass, and maintain the current non-green system.<br>
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:21 AM, George Mokray &lt;<a href="mailto:gmoke@world.std.com">gmoke@world.std.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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&gt; 40 page paper from Germany - pdf alert<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href="http://www.sven-giegold.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Green-New-Deal_en.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.sven-giegold.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Green-New-Deal_en.pdf</a><br>
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&gt; Coalition of the Willing ------------------<br>
&gt; The Coalition occupies several spaces for communication and action.  Keep<br>
&gt; the discussion on this list civil &amp; assume good faith.  Strive for brevity.<br>
&gt;  For the what-why-where of Coalition work, look to <a href="http://cotw.cc" target="_blank">http://cotw.cc</a>.   That<br>
&gt; wiki functions as a routing-portal and a locus for some of the work. All<br>
&gt; group efforts should maintain an updated statement of current focus,<br>
&gt; channels and spaces of work and anything necessary to support orientation &amp;<br>
&gt; keeping up-to-speed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;BetterMeans&quot; is where we coordinate our work: making proposals, endorsing<br>
&gt; &amp; signing up for work, and tracking tasks.<br>
&gt; <a href="https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/163" target="_blank">https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/163</a><br>
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