[P2P-F] Bitcoin donation

Michel Bauwens michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 17 05:49:48 CET 2011 

maybe james will be motivated by the easier interface?

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cyclonite, personally I am ready to work with bitcoin today, although
> the rest of p2pf may not be, which I'll respect
>
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cyclonite <cyclonite at safe-mail.net>
> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I think there is some kind of misunderstanding here, you do not need to
> manually generate any kind of public/private keys as with OpenPGP.
> >
> > You can even sign up in a website as mybitcoin.com and start making or
> receiving donations.
> >
> > In my opinion the best available info for beginners is
> http://bitcoinme.com. Please take a look and you will get your doubts
> clear.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Cyclonite.
> > --
> > Secure Email contact: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg
> > Bitcoin donations jar: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> > To: james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>, cyclonite at safe-mail.net,
> p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, Sepp Hasslberger <
> sepp at lastrega.com>, Georg Pleger <g.pleger at yahoo.de>
> > Subject: Re: Bitcoin donation
> > Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 09:30:23 -0500
> >
> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:54 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi Michel,
> >> > Yes, I do have a public key, but yet again,
> >> > another nice idea with terrible interaction design and userbility
> >> > - most people have no clue about public private keys, so this keeps it
> a
> >> > geek thing
> >>
> >> I agree, although as far as I can see, the application at least takes
> >> care of this for the user. Still, your point is valid in that some
> >> people may not understand what is happening.
> >>
> >>
> >> Most of the users of bitcoin now are early adopters, however. So, if
> >> p2pf did support donation via bitcoin, it would be joining an ecology
> >> of early adopters, and would likely only receive donation from those
> >> early adopters.
> >>
> >> > - the actual app upon launch is unclear. Where to click, what to
> do,gah!
> >> >
> >> > I can't really support this even if it is a p2p solution.
> >> > James
> >> >
> >>
> >> Seems reasonable. If p2pf changes it's mind, I'm willing to
> >> participate in any experiments with bitcoin
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> James,
> >> >>
> >> >> do you have a public key?
> >> >>
> >> >> Michel
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com
> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is a p2p application, so we would need to post your's or
> James's
> >> >>> public key, and people who want to donate bitcoins would need then
> >> >>> send you the bitcoins by downloading the bitcoin application and
> >> >>> sending it to you
> >> >>>
> >> >>> quote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Bitcoin utilizes public/private key digital signatures (ECDSA). A
> >> >>> coin has its owner's public key on it. When a coin is transferred
> from
> >> >>> user A to user B, A adds B’s public key to the coin and signs it
> with
> >> >>> his own private key. Now B owns the coin and can transfer it
> further.
> >> >>> To prevent A from transferring the already used coin to another user
> >> >>> C, a public list of all the previous transactions is collectively
> >> >>> maintained by the network of Bitcoin nodes, and before each
> >> >>> transaction the coin’s unusedness will be checked."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >> >>> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> > Sam, can you help us install it on the wiki and blog?
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Samuel Rose <
> samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> I've downloaded and installed and am game to try with p2pf
> network
> >> >>> >> folks.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> This could actually be really useful for lots of local economy
> efforts
> >> >>> >> too.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Michel Bauwens
> >> >>> >> <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >> > Dear,
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > thanks a lot for this email,
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > it seems that it is worthwhile for us to experiment with this,
> but I
> >> >>> >> > will
> >> >>> >> > forward this to James Burke for possible implementation
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > James, I think we should do this, what do  you think?
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > Michel
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM, <cyclonite at safe-mail.net>
> wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >> >>> >> >> Hash: SHA1
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Dear friends,
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> I have been looking in your site for any reference to Bitcoin
> for
> >> >>> >> >> making a
> >> >>> >> >> small donation.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> As  you  probably  know,  Bitcoin  (bitcoin.org)  is  a  new
> kind
> >> >>> >> >> of a
> >> >>> >> >> P2P
> >> >>> >> >> crypto-currency in which the general public can  make
> donations,
> >> >>> >> >> macro
> >> >>> >> >>  or
> >> >>> >> >> micropayments   in  a  secure  and   anonymous  way  usually
> >> >>> >> >>  without
> >> >>> >> >>  any
> >> >>> >> >> transaction fee involved.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> You can change Bitcoins for real money (eg: https://mtgox.com)
> or
> >> >>> >> >> purchase
> >> >>> >> >> services or goods in an increasing number of sites.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> In  order to  receive  donations you  only have  to  publish
>  one
> >> >>> >> >>  of
> >> >>> >> >> your
> >> >>> >> >> accounts  as generated  by the  bitcoin client  or any
> specialized
> >> >>> >> >> bitcoin
> >> >>> >> >> trader (eg: mybitcoin.com).
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Currently  some   projects  as  www.i2p2.de,
> >> >>> >> >>  www.torrentservers.net
> >> >>> >> >> and
> >> >>> >> >> organizations like the EFF are accepting donations.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> In  my  opinion  this  kind  of decentralized solution without
> the
> >> >>> >> >> need
> >> >>> >> >> to
> >> >>> >> >> trust  any  middlemen  is much better than  Paypal, Visa or
> >> >>> >> >> Mastercard
> >> >>> >> >> for
> >> >>> >> >> security-minded people as most of your donors are.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> If  you  are  interested in  pushing  Bitcoin forward,  do not
> >> >>> >> >> hesitate
> >> >>> >> >> to
> >> >>> >> >> contact me if you have any doubt.
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> Yours,
> >> >>> >> >> Cyclonite
> >> >>> >> >> __
> >> >>> >> >> OpenPGP Email: https://privacybox.de/cyclonite.msg
> >> >>> >> >> bitcoin donations: 16FVZweaaJLvhAy91oDugqaf84kXiDJ9PG
> >> >>> >> >>
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> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
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> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >> >
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> --
> >> >>> >> --
> >> >>> >> Sam Rose
> >> >>> >> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
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> >> >>> >> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> >> >>> >> ambition." - Carl Sagan
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
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> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Sam Rose
> >> >>> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
> >> >>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> >> >>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> >> >>> skype: samuelrose
> >> >>> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
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> >> >>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> >> >>> ambition." - Carl Sagan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Web: www.lifesized.net  Phone:+31 (0)6 5244 6445 Twitter: @lifesized
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Sam Rose
> >> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
> >> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> >> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> >> skype: samuelrose
> >> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> >> http://forwardfound.org
> >> http://futureforwardinstitute.org
> >> http://hollymeadcapital.com
> >> http://p2pfoundation.net
> >> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
> >>
> >> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> >> ambition." - Carl Sagan
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Sam Rose
> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation
> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552
> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451
> skype: samuelrose
> email: samuel.rose at gmail.com
> http://forwardfound.org
> http://futureforwardinstitute.org
> http://hollymeadcapital.com
> http://p2pfoundation.net
> http://socialmediaclassroom.com
>
> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human
> ambition." - Carl Sagan
>



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