[P2P-F] Fwd: New answer to "What are the fundamental requirements and building blocks of a distributed internet?"

Wed Feb 23 16:14:08 CET 2011

robert,

as i'm sure you know, the p2p foundation site has already aggregated many of
those resources.... if you scroll down on this page -
http://p2pfoundation.net/The_Foundation_for_P2P_Alternatives - you'll see
all the topic areas.... Open and Distributed Manufacturing, Open and Shared
Design, Open Standards, etc etc.

definitely check that out so you don't have to waste time duplicating the
search process

- v

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Robert Steele <
robert.david.steele.vivas at gmail.com> wrote:

> very important comments and the whole point behind the collective
> intelligence network within which Tom Atlee, George Por, myself, and several
> others have been prime movers for the past decade.
>
> Harvard has just discovered "shared value" and Business Week in June 2005
> ran an article on The Power of Us about Lego getting 1,600 hours of
> engineering from engaged customers.
>
> attached is my open everything slide, I am working on an article that
> Venessa really inspired, which is to document all of the existing open
> source initiatives (in English) for each of these categories,  and then
> update it--OpenBTS and solar power Internet being two that merit special
> prominence.
>
> The future is about everything, always, in real time.  Governments and
> companies and most networks don't get that yet.  IMHO.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I find this an interesting remark, in all likelyhood, corporate
>> platforms do reverse engineering, ie. they start from user needs and build
>> backwards,
>> >
>>
>> They actually do both. They invest in some form of infrastructure to
>> deploy their services on, that can handle the bandwidth, storage and
>> processing needs they are anticipating. Yet, no doubt you are right
>> much time is spent on the design of the user interface. Definitely not
>> an either/or proposition.
>>
>>
>> > the opposite strategy, building a pure internet but not looking at user
>> needs, may suffer in comparison,
>> >
>> > Michel
>> >
>>
>> I agree. It is crucial that software and applications, and the
>> hardware infrastructure progress in parallel, but also in
>> collaboration. Truly, both are equally important, as they are for
>> commercial entities.
>>
>> I think that massively great strides have been made with web
>> applications like StatusNet, http://status.net/ and diaspora
>> http://joindiaspora.com/  those two examples can easily hold their own
>> in terms of usability in comparison to what is available commercially.
>> Those of us that are more focused on creating a distributed
>> infrastructure think that it is crucial that HTTP protocol-based
>> applications (the web) be able to operate on distributed
>> infrastructure. I think, for instance there are some possibilities
>> right now with using http://yaws.hyber.org/ as the webserver, and
>> couchdb or Raik as a distributed data store. There is also
>> http://www.danga.com/mogilefs/  http://memcached.org/
>> http://gearman.org/ and many other technologies that could be used in
>> developing distributed versions of web applications.
>>
>> The important thing from my perspective is that we need to dispell the
>> myth that this is about infrastructure vs. user interface, or web vs.
>> p2p internet technologies. These are *no longer* "either/or"
>> propositions. The "next net", the distributed internet(s), need to
>> afford all of this in parallel, and in collaboration. The distributed
>> internet needs to support the web. This is arguably far more realistic
>> than any one niche winning out over time, no matter how large or small
>> it is.
>>
>>
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>> > Date: Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:32 AM
>> > Subject: New answer to "What are the fundamental requirements and
>> building blocks of a distributed internet?"
>> > To: michelsub2004 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > New answer to "What are the fundamental requirements and building blocks
>> of a distributed internet?"
>> >
>> >
>> > Leslie Michael Orchard:
>> > Some other characteristics to note involve practical usability, eg. what
>> happens after I plug in the magic black box I just bought:
>> >
>> > Discoverability - how do I find friends and interesting things?
>> > Aggregation - how can I follow friends and interesting things I find?
>> > Publishing - how can I broadcast interesting things to my friends and
>> followers?
>> >
>> > These are some of the things that centralized communication services are
>> nailing, at the moment. No matter how the underlying fabric of a distributed
>> net is made, if it doesn't serve some of these basic human-centric needs, it
>> won't take off.
>> >
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