[P2P-F] Hi Michel - setting up peer production investment scheme in Norway

Tue Feb 22 12:37:32 CET 2011

Hi All ( bcc: Bernard Lietaer , Chris Cook , Karthik )

while looking forward to some of your further suggestions on the p2p list
(  http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation )

some additional 5 cents notes -
in relation to alternative finance, energy, norway's sovereign fund, and a
potential research centre / investment scheme.

I find a interesting synergy possible with other neighbors, such as, in this
example,
with iceland.

See Smari's <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sm%C3%A1ri_McCarthy>
interview of Bernard
Lietaer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lietaer> :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQBHRiTpJxY

Such interview underlines a very interesting potential on what I see as long
term investments in icelandic energy infrastructure - hydroelectric, but
also mostly geothermal energy - distribution of energy through submarine
cables, or through storage in the form of hydrogen - potentially fueling a
hydrogen economy in Scandinavia and across the world ?

Although such approach would still be centralized, and not lead to a fully
p2p approach,
I hope it could prevent the collapse of complex societies dependent on high
energy consumption.

Using energy as a currency is also a interesting prospect set forward by
some people we may know or be in touch with, such as Chris Cook,
who proposed to directly trade with oil / energy guaranteed currencies
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5269

also see : http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook

Possibly we could imagine currencies in kWh, including for hydrogen storage
of geothermal energy.

I also like recent developments in Iceland in which Smari is involved in or
co-initiates,
leading to interesting legal frameworks potentially offered by the region
for becoming a communication and journalistic global hub.

see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Modern_Media_Initiative

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Modern_Media_Initiative>Just my 5
cents :)

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson <
dante.monson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I could imagine starting with a proposal for a "peer production research
> and development" centre - as a not for ( speculative ) profit , use value
> oriented research centre,
>
> combined with heterodox economics ( including alternative vector spaces /
> alternative currencies / alternative resource allocation information systems
> )
> as to channel such new development in a way that does not increase
> inflation on existing currencies.
>
> I could imagine such research centre as a autonomous network of spaces,
> yet collaborating with some existing design and engineering clusters,
>
> and/or universities - such as in Oslo : http://www.uio.no/english/ ;
> Trondheim : http://www.ntnu.edu/ ; ...
>
> and in collaboration with other Nordic Countries via a proposal to some
> Nordic Council bodies , not for direct funding under the council, but as a
> deliberation approach to invite these countries, including Norway's
> Sovereign Fund, to diversify further in local peer production approaches,
> while maintaining strategic resources owned locally
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Council
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Dante,
>>
>> Dear Karthik, if you are still in Oslo, could you find out more about
>> this?
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:20 PM
>> Subject: Hi Michel - setting up peer production investment scheme in
>> Norway
>> To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Michel
>>
>> I see a lot of potential in setting up an investment portfolio for peer
>> production
>> offered for Norway - for its long term local post-industrial development.
>>
>> I could imagine several billion could be invested in such scheme,
>> which takes into account alternative forms of economics then a speculative
>> capitalist approach.
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>> In Relation to Norway, and the 500 Billion Sovereign Fund built on oil
>> wealth.
>>
>> On Norwegian News, in English at around 20 minutes :
>>
>> http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/713548/
>>
>> excerpts :
>>
>> Investing "in your own economy".
>>
>> "Direct investment in your resources" - and into your neighbors. ( such as
>> Iceland )
>>
>> "Its all about the means of production"
>>
>> "The stock market are shrinking because people in the US and Europe have
>> so much debt"
>>
>> "There is no way of diversifying yourself out of risk if the environment
>> itself is risky"
>>
>> "China invests in what it needs for its economy - such as mines in Africa
>> - "
>>
>> "What kind of economy do we want Norway to look like to be a productive
>> economy"
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Arno Mong Daastoel <amd at daastol.com>
>> Date: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:00 AM
>> Subject: [gang8] Michael on Norwegian TV - Februar 11, 2011- Aktuelt - NRK
>> Nett-TV
>> To: "gang8 at yahoogroups.com" <gang8 at yahoogroups.com>
>> Cc: Aslak Sira Myhre <Aslak at litteraturhuset.no>, ISLET-Verlag <
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>>
>> You will find the interview with Michael starting after 19 minutes,
>> lasting 8+ minutes.
>>
>> It was sent on primed time on the state national channel NRK2 (the
>> serious documentary channel), in a workdays daily debate program that I
>> record every day.
>>
>> http://www.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/713548/
>>
>> The meeting yesterday in the most popular debate house in Oslo, the
>> House of Literature just behind the Royal Castle, drew a record 400
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>> hall in addition.
>>
>> His co-debaters were good with serious arguments.
>>
>> Arno
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