[P2P-F] [Fw: soros and egypt]

Sat Feb 19 06:55:43 CET 2011

Hi Roberto,

Soros has his own Open Society agenda, partly aligned with U.S. diplomacy,
but also quite independent of it, he has his own philosophy and agenda for
liberal democracy, and these NGO's have played a big role in the colour
revolutions, but that does not mean these NGO's were 'directed' by Soros in
some secret plot, nor by the U.S. state dept, and that they didn't have
their own reasons for happening

The article is typical conspiracy thinking, identify one ally of the
movement, and claim that this one movement is pulling all the strings, and
that would be itself then be enough to sever support with the Egyptian
democrats .

The uprising was the fact of many different players, from the far right to
the far left ... Soros NGO's probably had a partial role in that as well,
that's all ... Judge the event on its own, integral, merits, not on any
supposed linkage with one actor and its own agenda ...

This being said, a liberal plutocratic democracy, if it can be kept to these
limits, would potentially fit in an American agenda, since it would
ultimately be good for business and more stable than dictators lacking
legitimacy,

but that it is compatible with U.S.  interests does  not mean it's not a
step forward for the people ... of course, I would argue that from a p2p
point of view, it is only a first and very
partial step ...

Michel

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola at gn.apc.org>wrote:

>  I wonder what those who are knowledgeable of recent Egyptian developments
> think of this analysis below...
>
> *
> *
>
> *Friday, February 18, 2011*
>
> *<http://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/george-soros-egypts-new-constitution.html>George
> Soros and Egypt's New Constitution *
>
> *For Egyptians, the nightmare is just beginning.  *
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Cartalucci, *Contributing Writer*
>
>
> <http://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/george-soros-egypts-new-constitution.html>
> *Activist Post
>
>  The United States and its allies are still feigning surprise at the
> unfolding revolutionary conflagration consuming the Middle East. However,
> those aware of the West's decades old network of NGOs and how their sole
> purpose is reordering the world to align to Western imperial interests can
> clearly see
> <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/02/who-are-egypts-protesters_09.html>their
> meddling hands involved in the current "uprisings" sweeping North Africa,
> Arabia, and now Iran.
>
> While
> <http://www.activistpost.com/2011/02/googles-revolution-factory-alliance-of.html>MailScanner
> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.activistpost.com" claiming
> to be Movements.org coordinates their army of youthful cannon fodder in
> the streets of foreign nations from Bahrain to Libya, their
> <http://www.movements.org/pages/sponsors>corporate sponsors and their
> partners in the US State Department put on a convincing act of carefully
> portrayed confusion in the mainstream media.
>
> MSNBC recently republished a New York Times piece titled "<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41364449/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/>U.S.
> scrambles to size up ElBaradei," suggesting somehow Egypt's
> <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/01/globalists-egyptian-gambit-elbaradei.html>Mohamed
> ElBaradei may pose an obstacle to American and Israeli interests in the
> region. The utter contempt for their readers' intelligence is revealed when
> considering
> <http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/%7E/link.aspx?_id=007F025EA86D4399B7F8C7BEB488046E&_z=z>ElBaradei
> is a trustee of a prominent US think-tank, the
> <http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx>International Crisis Group
> (ICG) along side George Soros, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Armitage, and
> Kenneth Aldelman.
>
> Zbigniew Brzezinski of course is the father of
> <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21775042/>MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski, who daily
> feigns ignorance over the true nature of the protests and that her father is
> openly involved in orchestrating them. MSNBC itself is a corporate sponsor
> of Movements.org.
>
> Furthermore, it should be noted that ICG members such as Richard Armitage
> and Kenneth Adelman are also signatories of the extreme right-winged Project
> for a New American Century, the literal architects of the
> <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2010/09/globalist-stunts-islamophobia.html>extremely
> fake "War on Terror," and now some of the most vocal fear mongers regarding
> the unrest they themselves have not only planned by have
> <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/02/neo-cons-for-human-rights.html>funded
> and organized as well via the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and
> Freedom House. *
>
>
> Though many pundits see the Egyptian military's dissolving of parliament
> and the suspension of the nation's constitution as a step backwards for the
> protesters, it was exactly these steps that were demanded by ElBaradei's
> mobs according to the Nation Endowment for Democracy (NED) funded
> <http://pomed.org/blog/2011/02/egypt-banner-hung-from-apartment-building-in-support-of-protests.html/>Project
> on Middle East Democracy. The fact that
> <http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/%7E/link.aspx?_id=FB8F7EFF92D64AD181E313919B71504F&_z=z>George
> Soros, a fellow ICG trustee along side protest leader Mohamed ElBaradei, is
> funding organizations that have submitted drafts for Egypt's new
> constitution adds insult to injury to the evisceration of Egypt's national
> sovereignty.
>
> It turns out that the new Egyptian Constitution has already been drafted,
> not by the Egyptian people, but by the very US-backed protesters who brought
> about regime change in the first place. A
> <http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE71F0N620110216?sp=true>Reuters
> report quoted an opposition judge, who had been hiding-out in Kuwait until
> Mubarak's ousting, as having said civil society groups had already produced
> several drafts and a new constitution could be ready in a month.
>
> These "civil society" groups include the
> <http://www.anhri.net/en/reports/net2004/thank.shtml%20The%20Arabic%20Network%20for%20Human%20Rights%20Information>Arabic
> Network for Human Rights Information openly funded by George Soros' Open
> Society Institute and the
> <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/02/neo-cons-for-human-rights.html>Neo-Con
> lined NED funded
> <http://www.ned.org/publications/annual-reports/2005-annual-report/middle-east-and-north-africa/description-of-2005-gra-2>Egyptian
> Organization for Human Rights. It appears that while the International
> Crisis Group may be turning out the strategy, and their trustee ElBaradei
> leading the mobs into the streets, it is the vast array of NGOs their
> membership, including Soros, fund that are working out and implementing the
> details on the ground.
>
> Coupled with the
> <http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2048527,00.html>US's recent
> pledge to openly fund Egyptian opposition groups ahead of elections, it is
> hard to see how anything but a globalist-backed tyranny will result from the
> coming "transition." The boldness and size of the globalists' activities in
> the Middle East, North Africa, and now Iran is of such scale, it suggests
> the beginning of what may be the largest, attempted premeditated reordering
> of the world since the World Wars.
>
> The public's inability to wrap their minds around the reality of what is
> now transpiring in Egypt will only embolden the globalists to pursue the
> next stage of their world domineering agenda. It is essential for the people
> to make the connections and expose this charade for what it really is;
> neo-colonialism that has replaced invading armies with hordes of duped
> US-backed activists. It is equally important for people to recognize that
> "Neo-Cons" and the likes of George Soros are working in expertly
> synchronized concert to implement their new global order.
>
> *Tony Cartalucci's articles have appeared on many alternative media
> websites, including his own at <http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/>Land
> Destroyer.*
>
>
>
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