[P2P-F] The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire
james burke
lifesized at gmail.com
Thu Aug 4 10:01:54 CEST 2011
k, good to know, now that your expert eye has purveyed it for anything
remotely reusable
thanks
/J
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com> wrote:
> > well would be interesting at least if someone reads a few chapters to see
> if
> > there is something in there worth harvesting.
> > /J
> >
>
> So far, while interesting, I am not finding much worthy of plugging
> into p2pf wiki as reference...
>
> I suppose it could be a reference for the history of Dutch/British
> consolidation of markets in the late 1700's, but there are probably
> better sources.
>
>
> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
> >> > thanks sam, for the details,
> >> >
> >> > by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the
> story
> >> > in
> >> > his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be
> mobilized
> >> > by
> >> > the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article,
> >> > you
> >> > can check,
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.
> >>
> >>
> >> > of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is
> >> > necessarilty
> >> > 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost
> caution
> >> > is
> >> > advisable,
> >> >
> >> > I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed
> >> > fascinating for me as well,
> >> >
> >> > Michel
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <lifesized at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi michel & sam,
> >> >> thanks for the heads up.
> >> >> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.
> >> >> I did find the book's title rather
> >> >> interesting: http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
> >> >> but now I wander how much it is actually factual
> >> >> and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.
> >> >> /J
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >> >> <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement for the basic
> info,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically
> >> >>> attack
> >> >>> progressive gatherings ..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14
> >> >>> .., it writes ..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to
> take
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without
> >> >>> breaking
> >> >>> his neck. "
> >> >>>
> >> >>> a bit on their views:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which
> >> >>> involves
> >> >>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has
> >> >>> decided
> >> >>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed
> >> >>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World.
> The
> >> >>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to
> >> >>> prevent
> >> >>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian'
> population
> >> >>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing
> >> >>> disease and
> >> >>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource
> >> >>> control; the
> >> >>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such
> as
> >> >>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll
> >> >>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab
> >> >>> bag of
> >> >>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only
> >> >>> massive
> >> >>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with
> >> >>> atomic
> >> >>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments -
> can
> >> >>> free
> >> >>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he
> >> >>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is
> neither
> >> >>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas
> Jefferson
> >> >>> argued
> >> >>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of
> >> >>> small,
> >> >>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton
> >> >>> thought
> >> >>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed
> >> >>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not
> rural
> >> >>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy
> >> >>> meant
> >> >>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian
> Economy,"
> >> >>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of
> >> >>> money at
> >> >>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural'
> >> >>> breakdown on
> >> >>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the
> well-honed
> >> >>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism
> in
> >> >>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the
> "Aristotelian"
> >> >>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions.
> >> >>> LaRouche's
> >> >>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of
> >> >>> envisioning
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> >>> From: Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> >>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM
> >> >>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire
> >> >>> To: james burke <james at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> >>> Cc: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>, David de
> >> >>> Ugarte
> >> >>> <david at lasindias.coop>, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani at gmail.com
> >,
> >> >>> David
> >> >>> Ronfeldt <ronfeldt at mac.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle
> >> >>> against
> >> >>> 'empire' ?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface,
> and
> >> >>> it
> >> >>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> alarm bells ringing,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible
> for
> >> >>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just
> doesn't
> >> >>> ring
> >> >>> true to me?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Michel
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <
> james at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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