k, good to know, now that your expert eye has purveyed it for anything remotely reusable<div><br></div><div>thanks</div><div><br></div><div>/J<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> well would be interesting at least if someone reads a few chapters to see if<br>
> there is something in there worth harvesting.<br>
> /J<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>So far, while interesting, I am not finding much worthy of plugging<br>
into p2pf wiki as reference...<br>
<br>
I suppose it could be a reference for the history of Dutch/British<br>
consolidation of markets in the late 1700's, but there are probably<br>
better sources.<br>
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> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > thanks sam, for the details,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > by the way, actually I checked and Soros, a Jew himself, tells the story<br>
>> > in<br>
>> > his own biography, but it was quite normal that Jews would be mobilized<br>
>> > by<br>
>> > the Germans in their own repression ... it's on the wikipedia article,<br>
>> > you<br>
>> > can check,<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> Yes, I am familiar with this from reading accounts of WWII era history.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > of course, the fact that it is larouchian doesn't mean it is<br>
>> > necessarilty<br>
>> > 'all wrong', but given their past behaviour, I think the utmost caution<br>
>> > is<br>
>> > advisable,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I must admit that without that context, that book would have seemed<br>
>> > fascinating for me as well,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Michel<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:38 AM, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi michel & sam,<br>
>> >> thanks for the heads up.<br>
>> >> that is one totally fucking weird story altogether.<br>
>> >> I did find the book's title rather<br>
>> >> interesting:�<a href="http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/" target="_blank">http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/</a><br>
>> >> but now I wander how much it is actually factual<br>
>> >> �and how much over slanted towards LaRouche ideology.<br>
>> >> /J<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> confirmed, this is even a official larouchian pamphlet ..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaRouche_movement</a> for the basic info,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I encountered them in early 80s when they would still physically<br>
>> >>> attack<br>
>> >>> progressive gatherings ..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> more opinionated than the wikipedia, is this cultsite,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14" target="_blank">http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1001&Itemid=14</a><br>
>> >>> .., it writes ..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> "LaRouche is one of those political trippers that has managed to take<br>
>> >>> the<br>
>> >>> bend all the way around from the Far Left to the Far Right, without<br>
>> >>> breaking<br>
>> >>> his neck. "<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> a bit on their views:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> LaRouche's main thesis is that the 'Anglo-American cabal,' which<br>
>> >>> involves<br>
>> >>> George Bush, the English monarchy, and some other ingredients, has<br>
>> >>> decided<br>
>> >>> to undertake a programme of genocidal IMF/World Bank-financed<br>
>> >>> de-industrialization to deplete the population of the Third World. The<br>
>> >>> cabal's plan includes "narcotrafficking"; environmental policies to<br>
>> >>> prevent<br>
>> >>> those countries from developing economically; 'Malthusian' population<br>
>> >>> policies which incorporate birth control, abortion, and allowing<br>
>> >>> disease and<br>
>> >>> hunger free rein; profiteering through 'neo-colonial' resource<br>
>> >>> control; the<br>
>> >>> "lab-created" AIDs virus; and promotion of 'antifamily' ideals such as<br>
>> >>> feminism, homosexuality, Satanism, and "the sex-drugs-rock and roll<br>
>> >>> counterculture." This conspiracy theory, needless to say, is a grab<br>
>> >>> bag of<br>
>> >>> far right and far left nut worries. LaRouche believes that only<br>
>> >>> massive<br>
>> >>> industrial projects - nuclear power, huge irrigation canals dug with<br>
>> >>> atomic<br>
>> >>> bombs (!) in the Middle East, and similar high-tech developments - can<br>
>> >>> free<br>
>> >>> the Third World from the sinister grasp of the oligarchs' cabal.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> LaRouche has other windmills to tilt his lance at. For one thing, he<br>
>> >>> wants to move toward a "Hamiltonian" economic model, which is neither<br>
>> >>> laissez-faire nor communist. (Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson<br>
>> >>> argued<br>
>> >>> over the future economic shape of America. Jefferson saw a land of<br>
>> >>> small,<br>
>> >>> dispersed planters, farmers, and "Virginia gentlemen." Hamilton<br>
>> >>> thought<br>
>> >>> America would develop through a strong Central Bank which financed<br>
>> >>> industrial development and fostered growth of urban centres, not rural<br>
>> >>> farmers. Hamilton was right on one score - "Jeffersonian" democracy<br>
>> >>> meant<br>
>> >>> slavery for another 100 years.) In his "Science of Christian Economy,"<br>
>> >>> LaRouche blames a lot of modern problems on usury, the lending of<br>
>> >>> money at<br>
>> >>> excessive interest. LaRouche also blames much of our 'cultural'<br>
>> >>> breakdown on<br>
>> >>> a move away from classicism in the arts - particularly the well-honed<br>
>> >>> musical scale, Schiller's great poetry, and Renaissance naturalism in<br>
>> >>> painting. Ever the Neo-Platonist, LaRouche lambasts the "Aristotelian"<br>
>> >>> thinking which he sees behind our legal and other institutions.<br>
>> >>> LaRouche's<br>
>> >>> plan to 'reclassicize' our lives includes a whole new way of<br>
>> >>> envisioning<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>> >>> From: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>> >>> Date: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:00 PM<br>
>> >>> Subject: Re: The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire<br>
>> >>> To: james burke <<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>> >>> Cc: p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>>, David de<br>
>> >>> Ugarte<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop">david@lasindias.coop</a>>, George Papanikolaou <<a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com">georgepapani@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
>> >>> David<br>
>> >>> Ronfeldt <<a href="mailto:ronfeldt@mac.com">ronfeldt@mac.com</a>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> this seems like an original book, judging from the preface alone,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I wonder if anyone is familiar with this history of the struggle<br>
>> >>> against<br>
>> >>> 'empire' ?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> One caveat though, it has a reference to LaRouche in the preface, and<br>
>> >>> it<br>
>> >>> you know anything about this extreme righ-wing cult, this should let<br>
>> >>> the<br>
>> >>> alarm bells ringing,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I'm not at all familiar with the charge that Soros was responsible for<br>
>> >>> stripping the jews in budapest of their possessions, that just doesn't<br>
>> >>> ring<br>
>> >>> true to me?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Michel<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:15 PM, james burke <<a href="mailto:james@p2pfoundation.net">james@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
>> >>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/" target="_blank">http://www.oaklandasp.comcastbiz.net/</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
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