[P2P-F] Here is a "professional response"Fwd: michel debates alternatives to wikipedia

[Michel Bauwens]

thanks Mark,

Michel

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Mark Petz <ravenwyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Vesa works as a Librarian and maybe you met him in Pispala Library? Anyhow
> he is also a wikipedia editor in the English wikipedia - he is aware of
> other initiatives and here he gives some balance to the chat.
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> m
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> From: Vesa Lehtinen <sproutleaf at gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: michel debates alternatives to wikipedia
> To: Mark Petz <ravenwyn at gmail.com>
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> 2011/4/2 Mark Petz <ravenwyn at gmail.com>
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>>
>>    - Sepp Hasslberger <http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger>
>>    Are they seriously saying they don't know why?
>>
>>    The environment for contributions from a scientist or anyone serious
>>    is so bad there (anyone can challenge or even cancel your stuff without
>>    giving a proper reason, and many do) that a serious c...Mehr anzeigen
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> There were scientists who were treated as editors as usual. They were angry
> that their POV was not accepted without references and was questioned; WP
> folks are very wary of "original research". Some experts don't like to be
> treated as common editors.
>
>  And now the Citizendium boasts that it accepts experts - and Larry Sanger
> calls Jimmy Blames a pornographer....
>
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>>    -
>>    - <http://www.facebook.com/Ian.Korman>
>>    Ian Korman <http://www.facebook.com/Ian.Korman> I tried to write a
>>    single entry in there about a management concept. I tried to get the creator
>>    of the concept to give me info from the horses mouth so that my entry
>>    couldn't be challenged. The creator of the concept refused to contribute. At
>>    the end of the day, WIKIpedia is just too complicated to contribute to for
>>    me.
>>
>> Was there references to web article or a book? Info from the "horses
> mouth" could be too easily interpreted as Original Research, especially when
> it's connected to management jargon or other buzzwords. Too many PR
> companies have tried to insert their favorite management fads into
> Wikipedia.
>
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>>
>>    - Gestern um 09:02 · Gefällt mir
>>    - <http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens>
>>    Michel Bauwens <http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens> the fundamental
>>    problem is that the editors in power are less knowledgeable than the
>>    contributors; and that the contributors are powerless against the ruling
>>    prejudices of the editorial layer.
>>
>> Who are these editors? Everybody active in Wikipedia is an editor. The
> "upper level" are system administrators and WP Foundation personnel.
>
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>>
>>    - <http://www.facebook.com/markus.petz>
>>    Markus Petz <http://www.facebook.com/markus.petz> more useful perhaps
>>    is just putting links to related articles as often what is not included is
>>    due to a narrow cultural perspective. Although I do wonder why episodes of
>>    US TV programs have such long entries compared to real world articles -
>>    surely they are not really more significant - it has to be a marketing
>>    aspect.
>>
>>  Because too many editors (or contributors, if you will) know more about
> popular culture than the real world. And those who would write about the
> real world don't get involved because of Wikipedia's reputation of being a
> popular culture encyclopedia. A vicious circle.
>
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>>    -
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>>    - <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001304793048>
>>    Poor Richard <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001304793048>
>>    I think it is time for a National Public Wikipedia that would
>>    aggregate many wiki domains including the legacy Wikipedia and forks like
>>    Citizendium. This public metawiki would not intervene in legacy subwiki
>>    editorial and political issues b...Mehr anzeigen
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>> I think Larry Sanger would sue somebody calling Citizendium a "fork" of
> Wikipedia. By the way, Wikipedia does accept Citizendium articles as sources
> but not the vice versa.
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