[Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada

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On Wednesday 22 December 2010 16:31:28 Cronopio Rojo wrote:
> No se qué es la Bios, por ende tampoco se entrar.
>


Fijate en el wiki de Musix:

http://www.musix.org.ar/wiki/index.php/Iniciando,_problemas_y_soluciones

si bien tu BIOS será más moderno que el que se muestra allí, hay una forma de 
entrar, fijate apenas se prende la PC, si dice q entrás presionando F algo, o 
del o supr o qué cosa.

Luego de que entres, podrás entrar en un apartado de configuración básica o 
general en el que podés ver y cambiar fecha y hora, entre otras cosas...

>   " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
>
>
>
>
>
> --- El mié 22-dic-10, joseangon <joseangon47 en gmail.com> escribió:
>
> De: joseangon <joseangon47 en gmail.com>
> Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada
> Para: "Lista de usuarios de Musix" <musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
> Fecha: miércoles, 22 de diciembre de 2010, 15:36
>
>
>
> El 22 de diciembre de 2010 15:51, Cronopio Rojo <cronopiorojo en yahoo.com.ar>
> escribió:
>
> Hola.
>
>
>
>
>
> Todo sigue igual de mal...
>
> cronopio@(none):~$ su
> Contraseña:
> (none):/home/cronopio#
> (none):/home/cronopio# zdump -v /etc/localtime | egrep 2010
> /etc/localtime  Sun Mar 21 01:59:59 2010 UTC = Sat Mar 20 23:59:59 2010
> ARST isd                                           st=1 gmtoff=-7200
>
> /etc/localtime  Sun Mar 21 02:00:00 2010 UTC = Sat Mar 20 23:00:00 2010 ART
> isds                                           t=0 gmtoff=-10800
> /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 17 02:59:59 2010 UTC = Sat Oct 16 23:59:59 2010 ART
> isds                                           t=0 gmtoff=-10800
> /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 17 03:00:00 2010 UTC = Sun Oct 17 01:00:00 2010
> ARST isd                                           st=1 gmtoff=-7200
>
> (none):/home/cronopio# dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
>
> Current default timezone: 'America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires'
> Local time is now:      Wed Dec 22 13:49:06 ARST 2010.
> Universal Time is now:  Wed
>  Dec 22 15:49:06 UTC 2010.
>
> (none):/home/cronopio#
>
> A ver si tu bios no deja modificar la hora ... Entra en la bios y mira si
> hay alguna diferencia. Asegurate que allí la hora sea la correcta y
> entonces inicia tu musix y comparas.
>
>
>
> Saludos.
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>   " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- El vie 10-dic-10, joseangon <joseangon47 en gmail.com> escribió:
>
>
> De: joseangon <joseangon47 en gmail.com>
>
> Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada
> Para: "Lista de usuarios de Musix" <musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
>
> Fecha: viernes, 10 de diciembre de
>  2010, 13:04
>
>
>
> El 10 de diciembre de 2010 05:00, Cronopio Rojo <MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be cronopiorojo en yahoo.com.ar>
> escribió:
>
>
>
> Hola.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ok, recien ahora entiendo el problema. Espero que hagas las pruebas.
>
> Pues en Argentina por lo que leo por ahí estáis en la misma situación que
> aquí en España.
>
> Por tanto esa información está ya en las bases de datos del tzdata. Debes
> elegir la situación geográfica (Sudamerica), el país (Argentina) y tu
> ciudad ( o la que corresponda a la situación política de tu zona, por
> ejemplo, yo vivo en Málaga y elijo Madrid).
>
>
>
> Luego comprobamos si esa zona tiene condicionantes de cambio de hora, como
> root en una consola:
>
> zdump -v /etc/localtime | egrep 2010
>
> debe dar una salida parecida a esta:
>
> # zdump -v /etc/localtime | egrep 2010
>
>
> /etc/localtime  Sun Mar 28 00:59:59 2010 UTC = Sun Mar 28 01:59:59 2010 CET
> isdst=0 gmtoff=3600 /etc/localtime  Sun Mar 28 01:00:00 2010 UTC = Sun Mar
> 28 03:00:00 2010 CEST isdst=1 gmtoff=7200 /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 31
> 00:59:59 2010 UTC = Sun Oct 31 02:59:59 2010 CEST isdst=1 gmtoff=7200
>
>
> /etc/localtime  Sun Oct 31 01:00:00 2010 UTC = Sun Oct 31 02:00:00 2010 CET
> isdst=0 gmtoff=3600
>
> ahí podemos apreciar cuando se cambia la hora para mi zona.
>
> Revisa, tambien como root, el dpkg-reconfigure tzdata y asegurate estés
> eligiendo correcto el horario:
>
>
>
> # dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
>
>
> El tzselect no vale para asignar la hora de modo permanente, ha de ser el
> tzdata, pero te pongo un ejemplo de las salidas en el mio:
>
> $ tzselect
> Please identify a location so that time zone rules can be set correctly.
>
>
> Please select a continent or ocean.
>  1) Africa
>  2) Americas
>  3) Antarctica
>  4) Arctic Ocean
>  5) Asia
>  6) Atlantic Ocean
>  7) Australia
>  8) Europe
>  9) Indian Ocean
> 10) Pacific Ocean
> 11) none - I want to specify the time zone using the Posix TZ format.
>
>
> #? 8
>
> Please select a country.
>  1) Aaland Islands        18) Greece                35) Norway
>  2) Albania               19) Guernsey              36) Poland
>  3) Andorra               20) Hungary               37) Portugal
>
>
>  4) Austria               21) Ireland               38) Romania
>  5) Belarus               22) Isle of Man           39) Russia
>  6) Belgium               23) Italy                 40) San Marino
>  7) Bosnia & Herzegovina  24) Jersey                41) Serbia
>
>
>  8) Britain (UK)          25) Latvia                42) Slovakia
>  9) Bulgaria              26) Liechtenstein         43) Slovenia
> 10) Croatia               27) Lithuania             44) Spain
> 11) Czech Republic        28) Luxembourg            45) Sweden
>
>
> 12) Denmark               29) Macedonia             46) Switzerland
> 13) Estonia               30) Malta                 47) Turkey
> 14) Finland               31) Moldova               48) Ukraine
> 15) France                32) Monaco                49) Vatican City
>
>
> 16) Germany               33) Montenegro
> 17) Gibraltar             34) Netherlands
> #? 44
>
> Please select one of the following time zone regions.
> 1) mainland
> 2) Ceuta & Melilla
> 3) Canary Islands
>
>
> #? 1
>
> The following information has been given:
>
>         Spain
>         mainland
>
> Therefore TZ='Europe/Madrid' will be used.
> Local time is now:      Fri Dec 10 15:35:14 CET 2010.
> Universal Time is now:  Fri Dec 10 14:35:14 UTC 2010.
>
>
> Is the above information OK?
> 1) Yes
> 2) No
> #? 1
>
>
>
> Saludos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Abrazo!!
>
>   " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- El jue 9-dic-10, joseangon <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be joseangon47 en gmail.com> escribió:
>
>
>
> De: joseangon <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be joseangon47 en gmail.com>
>
>
> Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada
> Para:
>  "Lista de usuarios de Musix" <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
> Fecha: jueves, 9 de diciembre de 2010, 20:50
>
>
>
>
>
> El 9 de diciembre de 2010 23:27, Cronopio Rojo <MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be cronopiorojo en yahoo.com.ar>
> escribió:
>
>
>
>
> Hola.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bien... ¿Y entonces? Antes de reinstalar musix tenia el mismo modem y
> router y no había problemas con la hora...
>
>
> ya te dije que no tienes problemas con puertos ni con la pila (batería
> interna) del ordenador. Es un problema de la configuración horario. Hay
> países, como España, que no coincide la hora real con la "política". Aquí
> se adelanta o se atrasa la hora según la época del año para aprovechar más
> horas de luz.
>
>
>
>
> Eso tiene un nombre especifico (UTC y otro que no me acuerdo ... ) y se
> elige a la hora de configurar el horario en los server para los
> ordenadores.
>
> Ahora estoy muy liado, pero en cuanto pueda hago pruebas y te comunico los
> resultados. Seguro que con el tzselect se consigue.
>
>
>
>
>
> Saludos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- El mié 8-dic-10, david <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be davidfernandez en riseup.net> escribió:
>
>
>
>
> De: david <MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> claiming to be davidfernandez en riseup.net>
>
>
> Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema
>  con hora predeterminada
> Para: "Lista de usuarios de Musix" <MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
>
>
> Fecha: miércoles, 8 de diciembre de 2010, 23:23
>
> On 08/12/10 15:27, Cronopio Rojo wrote:
> > Si, tengo fibertel. Un modem y un router. ¿Qué tiene que ver eso con la
> > hora?
> >
> >    " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> > desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
>
> Los provedores de internet pueden habilitar o desabilitar el uso de
> detarminado servicios, los servicios via red se comunican por
> ptotocolos, la mayoria por tcp/ip y estos usan puertos de comunicacion
>
>
>
> por ejemplo los navegadores para ver un web usan el puerto 80.
>
>   Los router/modem que en la mayorias tiende hacer uno mismo, vienen con
> un cortafuego que bloquea ciertos puertos.
>
> > --- El mié 8-dic-10, Marcos Germán Guglielmetti<MailScanner has detected
> > a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> > detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> > has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> > MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> > be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> > to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> > claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> > "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> > from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> > attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> > fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be marcos en ovejafm.com>  escribió:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De: Marcos Germán Guglielmetti<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> > attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> > fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> > possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> > a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> > detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> > has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> > MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> > be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> > to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc"
> > claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> > "mc" claiming to be marcos en ovejafm.com>
> >
> >
> > Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada
> > Para: "Lista de usuarios de Musix"<MailScanner has detected a possible
> > fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> > possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> > a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> > detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> > has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> > MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> > be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> > to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
>
>  attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
>
> > Fecha: miércoles, 8 de diciembre de 2010, 14:00
> >
> > On Tuesday 07 December 2010 20:07:40 Cronopio Rojo wrote:
> >> No configuré ningún cortafuegos.
> >
> > pero si tenés cablemodem de la empresa fibertel es probable que ciertos
> >
> >
> >
> > puertos estén cerrados.... :S
> >
> > x ejemplo acá en mi fibertel los puertos ssh están
>
>  cerrados..
>
> >     " La realidad es aquello que, cuando dejas de creer en ella, no
> >
> >> desaparece" (Philip K Dick)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- El lun 6-dic-10, joseangon<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> >> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> >> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> >> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> >> a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> >> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> >> be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> >> to be MailScanner has detected a
>
>  possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a 
possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be joseangon47 en gmail.com>  
escribió:
> >> De: joseangon<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> >> "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> >> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> >> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible
> >> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> >> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> >> a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> >> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> >> be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> >> to be
>
>  joseangon47 en gmail.com>
>
> >> Asunto: Re: [Musix-usuarios] Problema con hora predeterminada
> >> Para: "Lista de usuarios de Musix"<MailScanner has detected a possible
> >> fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a
> >> possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> >> a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has
> >> detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner
> >> has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be
> >> MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to
> >> be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming
> >> to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
>
>  attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud
> attempt from "mc" claiming to be musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org>
>
> >> Fecha: lunes, 6 de diciembre de 2010, 13:46
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> El 6 de diciembre de 2010
>
>  11:22, Cronopio Rojo<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt
> from "mc" claiming to be cronopiorojo en yahoo.com.ar>
>
> >> escribió:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hola.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> No funcionó! La hora sigue estando igual de mal que siempre... Y lo que
> >> recomendó Daniel Vidal tampoco anduvo... ¿Otras sugerencias? ¿Tal vez
> >> cambiarle el huso horario?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Configuraste algún cortafuegos ?. Si es así has de tener abierto el
> >> puerto 123 del NPT.
> >>
> >>
> >> Saludos.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > possible fraud attempt from "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected
> > a possible fraud attempt from
>
>  "mc" claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from
> "mc" claiming to be Musix-usuarios en lists.ourproject.org
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> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/musix-usuarios
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un mail a solar.general en librelist.com y luego respondé el mail de bienvenida.

PD: usen dukgo.com 
es genial y va camino a ser totalmente libre ¡y no te espía! :-D

¿Cuáles serían las libertades esenciales en Medios de Comunicación Libres? 
listas, sitios, etc.
0) La libertad de usar los medios de comunicación con cualquier propósito 
(uso)
1) La libertad de auditar los medios de comunicación y adaptarlos a tus 
necesidades. El acceso a los paneles de administración es una condición 
previa para esto. (estudio)
2) La libertad de crear otros usuarios y medios de comunicación, con lo que 
puedes ayudar a tu prójimo. (copia)
3) La libertad de modificar en los medios de comunicación y hacer públicas las 
mejoras a los demás, de modo que toda la comunidad se beneficie. El acceso al 
panel de administración es un requisito previo para esto. (mejora)


"our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of 
compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its 
beauty" Einstein

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