[Musix-usuarios] mscore-0.5.1

Mie Mayo 16 20:50:11 CEST 2007

El Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2007 00:39, victor escribió:
 | Buenas, copio la respuesta pormenorizada y larga que me ha dado
 | amablemente Michael McIntyre del grupo de rosegarden. Atención al último
 | parrafo
 |
 | > 1) How to write two or more voices in same staff?. I wan't to write
 |
 | chords,
 |
 | > that is diferent. Often for example, in piano music, beams up or down,
 | > determine the voice. That feaure is common in  harmonies exercices on
 | > piano's score. Actually that is possible in lilypond and mscore
 |
 | One voice per segment, segments can overlap, or you can merge segments
 | from different tracks onto the same staff if exporting to LilyPond.  This
 | isn't fully functional.  It's especially problematic trying to do multiple
 | voice parts that have chords.  Chords have to belong to one single voice
 | in order to be considered chords, instead of members of different voices,
 | so this can lead to problems.
 |
 | > 2) is it possible to group with brackets, a group of staff for to have a
 | > real orchestral  score appearence?.  Actually  that is possible in
 |
 | lilypond
 |
 | > and mscore.
 |
 | Not at this time.
 |
 | > 3) A good draw of slur, determine a good understanding of score for
 | > eyes. whould be possible to desing slur like bezier lines? In lilypond
 | > and
 |
 | mscore
 |
 | > we can ajust slur curve with three points of control. Is not only a
 |
 | estetic
 |
 | > question. Slur are  the lines of expression in order of a musical
 | > phrase, then are very important to have control.
 |
 | I'd like to see bezier slurs too, but I'm not feeling remotely interested
 | in taking on the challenge of implementing them.
 |
 | > 4) How can we to write two lines of lyrics? Many scores use it.
 |
 | Someone just introduced some new feature that's supposed to make this
 | easier somehow.  I wasn't following that development.  I'll leave this
 | question unanswered, because I just don't know.
 |
 | > 5) In scores's edition is very important the size of bars and lines. how
 | > can we to break a line of staff, for adjust score to a page or other
 | > template style?
 |
 | Not possible at this time.
 |
 | > I dont know if goal of score part of rosegarden is a real score editor,
 | > or a MIDI tracks editor. I think they are two ways diferent, but too
 | > with
 |
 | many
 |
 | > point in common.
 |
 | I think Rosegarden is trying to be the most serious score editor it can be
 | while still being a useful MIDI sequencer.  The two are hard to combine. 
 | We have solved a number of really difficult problems that would have been
 | much easier to address in a pure notation editor context.
 |
 | Pure notation editors like Sibelius or Finale work with symbols and glyphs
 | and
 | coordinates, and then interpret them into a crude MIDI representation when
 | you play the parts.  Rosegarden allows quite a robust MIDI reproduction to
 | coexist with solid notation capabilities, but it does not implement any
 | number of things that seem to perpetually limit its usefulness to
 | composers.
 |
 | As a composer and Rosegarden developer, my perspective is one of being
 | frustrated by our own limitations on the one hand, and feeling utterly
 | powerless to address any of these issues myself on the other.  I probably
 | care about these issues more than anyone else here, but I'm the least
 | likely to do anything about them.  Programming is one of my least favorite
 | ways to spend my free time.
 |
 | > adjunt: a easy score with a good edition. whould be possible to create
 |
 | that
 |
 | > in rosegarden?
 |
 | To really make it practical to solve all the problems I perceive with
 | Rosegarden as a score editor, it would all but require an outright fork.
 | Then it's a tossup whether it's better to fork Rosegarden into a true
 | notation editor, or pump the effort into making NoteEdit (whatever
 | NoteEdit evolved into) or MScore usable, because at last check, neither of
 | them was any more a solution to the overall problem than Rosegarden.
 |
 | Unfortunately, the true solution, for the foreseeable future, seems to be
 | to write in hand-coded LilyPond, or switch to another platform, and use
 | some high-dollar software.
 |
 | --
 | D. Michael McIntyre
 |
 |
 | Habrá que animar al creador de mscore para que sigua en la línea que
 | lleva...

Sí. Muy bueno lo que has hecho!

Silvan (D. Michael McIntyre) es un amigo, he traducido casi todo su tutorial 
de Rosegarden hace 2 años, él fue quien compiló rosegarden en esa época para 
Musix para que funcionara con DSSI, incluso compiló los DSSI que utilizamos 
hasta hace 2 días, sabe mucho sobre el proyecto Rosegarden, como verás, y las 
cosas que dice generalmente están un 90% acertadas.

Ahora: ¿cómo animamos al desarrollador de mscore?

Yo al menos incluí mscore en Musix 1.0 Stable R1, deberemos hacerle una 
fiesta, jejejeje, no sé, llamarlo para el cumpleaños!!!, conseguirle un grupo 
de mujeres que hagan música con él y lo amen, la verdad, no se me ocurre nada 
más :-)

No, bueno, se lo puedo contactar por mail y mostrarnos interesados, que es 
realmente lo que estamos: interesados en que haga su tarea, y ofrecerle 
ayuda, de testeo, etc.,

¿qué tal?

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