[JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?

Mon Dec 16 01:23:20 CET 2013

Hi George

In that case, it's OK with me. Others?

cheers

Mathieu

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Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?

Hi Mathieu,

I agree. Enforcing deadlines will be difficult and we'll have to move
fast, but I think it can be done.

-G.

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi George
>
> Well, we will need more issues anyway if we want the journal to continue. ;-)
>
> It seems that could be a bit short for you... best case scenario would be:
> Say if all goes well and you release Part 1 on 15 september 2014
> => CFP for Part 2 goes out also 15 september 2014
> => abstracts due 15 october 2014 (short)
> => decision by 30 october 2014
> => full article due 30 january 2015
> => reviews due 15 march 2015
> => revised articles due 15 may 2015
> => get signals, upload, etc
> => release july 2015
>
> Any of these can be tweaked but this does not leave much time for delays, errors etc
> So, its doable but there would need to be quite strict discipline to enforce deadlines
>
> The aim is to avoid releasing in August as a lot of northern hemisphere are not attentive then..
> Might be better to have more time...
>
> ???
>
> cheers
>
> Mathieu
>
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> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:54
> To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list
> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis
> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
>
> Hi again,
>
> Just spoke to Vasilis and he suggests to release the second part on
> July 2015. And if we do it this way, then there's no need to plan a
> different JoPP issue. What do you think?
>
> Best,
> -G.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au> wrote:
>> Hi George
>>
>> OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> @all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Mathieu
>>
>> Jan 2014: Value/Currency
>> July 2014: Shared Machine Shops
>> Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I.
>> Jan 2015: Law and Disruption
>> July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?)
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: jopp-public-bounces at lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces at lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41
>> To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list
>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis
>> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p     developments?
>>
>> No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage
>> and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the
>> evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution
>> would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations
>> with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these
>> policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you
>> guys think?
>>
>> -G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix at openflows.com> wrote:
>>> To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a
>>> very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of
>>> such a project, there is very little research about it possible.
>>>
>>> One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan
>>> two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the
>>> project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes
>>> critically.
>>>
>>> The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there
>>> is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include
>>> substantive contributions from outsiders.
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote:
>>>> If the editors think its possible, why not?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback
>>>>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule)
>>>>> issue as discussed with George...?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathieu
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29
>>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil
>>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list
>>>>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mathieu,
>>>>>
>>>>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding
>>>>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it
>>>>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and
>>>>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If
>>>>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities,
>>>>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of
>>>>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in
>>>>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> -G.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi George
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and
>>>>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is
>>>>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does
>>>>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the
>>>>> political economy there? etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing
>>>>> this exciting message with the journal list...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as
>>>>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently
>>>>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two
>>>>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's
>>>>> attention quite a bit I think).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, this is what is is planned:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan 2014: value/currency
>>>>>> July 2014: shared machine shops
>>>>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed
>>>>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan
>>>>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other
>>>>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single
>>>>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a
>>>>> delayed socio-political impact?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and
>>>>> curious to see what others think about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mathieu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional
>>>>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule.
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24
>>>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil
>>>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis
>>>>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mathieu,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on
>>>>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the
>>>>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing
>>>>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the
>>>>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the
>>>>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies
>>>>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and
>>>>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that
>>>>>> includes 7 contributions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream
>>>>>> coordinator will contribute a paper
>>>>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too
>>>>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as
>>>>> follows:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014
>>>>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP
>>>>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the
>>>>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and
>>>>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014.
>>>>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> x,
>>>>>> g.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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