[JoPP-Public] Re : Re: Improving peer review for JoPP

Wed Mar 28 15:12:17 CEST 2012

cool, i like bot suggestions
well lets call it MUSTARD ACHIVE (as in they didnt cut the mustard)
whatever

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au>wrote:

> Hi Felix, Athina, all
>
> I think this is a very good idea and I'd like to add to it. My first
> suggestion is non-controversial:
> -if the article is submitted somewhere else and published [and we find out
> about it] we could publish a link to that version
> My second suggestion may be a deterrent for some authors:
> -we could publish alongside titles, abstracts, outcome (did not publish,
> etc) etc the reviews?
>
> Another question is where this would appear on the site. There would need
> to be a specific page / groupe of pages. What would we call it?
>
> cheers
>
> Mathieu
>
> Le 03/28/12, *Athina Karatzogianni * <athina.k at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Hi All,
>
> I wonder whether we can do what Felix suggests but publish in a separate
> place inside our site papers that didnt make it and have an archive that
> way of everything which was ever submitted to us, which is
> transparent. There might turn out to be lets say 30 papers over five years
> (i doubt there d be more than that) or whatever and we ll have a live
> record of this, if the authors who submitted them give their consent. We d
> have to get consent when they submit to us in the first place (in case this
> doesnt work out can we publish in the didnt make it archive?) Its one way
> to do it and we might be the first journal ever to do so...
> why not? theres plenty of space online to do stuff like that
>
> Athina
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Felix Stalder <felix at openflows.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is a good way, since we might end up publishing the
>> crappy version, whereas others get the good one.
>>
>> But there could be an intermediary step. For example, one might publish
>> a list with all submissions (Name, Title, Abstract, and date of
>> submission) so it gets at least transparent if people are submitting
>> here first, and the take it somewhere else.
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/27/2012 02:29 PM, Mathieu ONeil wrote:
>> > ps. I'll answer my own question: a way to do that would be to explicitly
>> > state that a version of all submissions will be published, so that by
>> > the act of submitting to us authors are in fact agreeing for us to
>> > publish something.
>> > However in this scenario:
>> > -we may end up publishing more (duly signaled as such) crappy articles
>> > than we would wish, and
>> > -we would be limiting the freedom of authors
>> >
>> > On 03/27/12, *Mathieu ONeil * <mathieu.oneil at anu.edu.au> wrote:
>> >> Hi Christian, all
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for commenting. I can't respond address your points straight
>> >> away but I am curious about how you propose to implement this part of
>> >> your proposal : "((publishing all versions of a paper from the first
>> >> submitted one (or, at least, the last negotiated version of each
>> >> paper))) __without allowing the authors to pull out.__ "?
>> >> How do we stop people from pulling out? Sign a blood oath over the
>> >> Internet? ;-)
>> >>
>> >> cheers
>> >>
>> >> Mathieu
>> >>
>> >> On 03/27/12, *Christian Siefkes * <christian at siefkes.net> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Mathieu and all,
>> >>>
>> >>> On 03/26/2012 04:17 PM, Mathieu ONeil wrote:
>> >>> > Openness undoubtedly has great virtues, but in the case of academic
>> >>> > publishing it can also generate some bad side-effects.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > For this issue of JoPP five papers were sent out for review. Three
>> >>> of the
>> >>> > papers will be published with reviews and signals. Two other papers
>> >>> were not
>> >>> > great. Reviewers worked long and hard to address shortcomings and
>> make
>> >>> > suggestions.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > One author decided that it would not be possible to make these
>> >>> adjustments
>> >>> > though much time kept being added.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The other agreed to make changes but then used the time excuse as
>> >>> well as
>> >>> > sickness.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > There is nothing preventing either author from now submitting their
>> >>> > much-improved papers to another journal...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In my view, we should try to address this obvious waste of reviewer
>> >>> (and
>> >>> > editorial) work/energy.
>> >>>
>> >>> hmm, isn't this a problem of being (maybe) not open enough instead of
>> >>> being
>> >>> too open? In the experience from my own academic this, this is a quite
>> >>> possible scenario in the traditional peer review process: reviewers
>> send
>> >>> criticism and suggestions, the author might then revise the paper and
>> >>> send
>> >>> back a revised version, or submit the revised version elsewhere.
>> >>> Especially
>> >>> if a paper is re-submitted by multiple journals (after being refused
>> >>> -- with
>> >>> reviewer feedback -- by each of them), it would cause reviewers a lot
>> of
>> >>> work. (Say if there are 3 reviewers per paper and you submit it
>> >>> sequentially
>> >>> to 4 journals, you would already occupy a dozen reviewers, while none
>> of
>> >>> them would benefit of the work already done by others, since they
>> >>> don't know
>> >>> about it.) Also, if you re-submit a text sufficiently often, it
>> >>> becomes more
>> >>> and more likely to be accepted somewhere by pure chance, almost
>> >>> regardless
>> >>> of the quality of the paper, I would presume.
>> >>>
>> >>> The only chance to avoid that would be more openness, not less, i.e.
>> >>> publishing all versions of a paper from the first submitted one (or,
>> at
>> >>> least, the last negotiated version of each paper), without allowing
>> the
>> >>> authors to pull out. Not sure if we want to go this way, but blaming
>> >>> "openness" for the shortcomings of the current approach strikes my as
>> >>> definitively wrong.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards
>> >>> Christian
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> |------- Dr. Christian Siefkes ------- christian at siefkes.net -------
>> >>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: http://www.keimform.de/
>> >>> |    Peer Production Everywhere: http://peerconomy.org/wiki/
>> >>> |---------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: 0x346452D8 --
>> >>> UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because
>> that
>> >>> would also stop you from doing clever things.
>> >>>         -- Doug Gwyn
>> >>>
>> >> --
>> >> ****
>> >> Dr Mathieu O'Neil
>> >> Adjunct Research Fellow
>> >> Australian Demographic and Social Research Institute
>> >> College of Arts and Social Science
>> >> The Australian National University
>> >> email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au
>> >> web: http://adsri.anu.edu.au/people/visitors/mathieu.php
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>> > Dr Mathieu O'Neil
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>> > The Australian National University
>> > email: mathieu.oneil[at]anu.edu.au
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