Evil for Emacs users

Matt Armstrong gmatta at gmail.com
Wed Feb 22 21:17:55 CET 2012

I find Evil suffers from some of the same problems as viper does:

1) Discoverability.  In Emacs C-h b is useful.  In vim, :help is wonderful.
 What does Evil give me that informs me what I can actually type?
 Referring to vim docs only goes so far.  For example, typing d C-h doesn't
bring up what I can then type (iw, or whatever).

2) How do I fix my problem?  viper and Evil suffer from the same thing: a
low-adoption alternative.  There will always be a foo-mode out there that
doesn't work well.  What are the common problems and how do I fix them?

I'm an elisp idiot.  I get by on copy/paste from others.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:24 AM, Vegard Øye <vegard_oye at hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-02-20 21:19 +0100, Leo Alekseyev wrote:
> > http://dnquark.com/blog/2012/02/emacs-evil-ecumenicalism/
> Interesting blog post! It highlights some areas in which the current
> documentation is rather lacking -- it's been neglected for some time
> now ...
> I've recently been looking to Frank's User Guide for vim-mode as a
> guide to improving Evil's documentation.[1] What is really needed
> -- and both your blog post and Frank's guide underline this -- is
> an overview of the different states and how they relate to Emacs'
> keymap hierarchy. Rebinding keys and configuring the initial state
> should also be dealt with in more detail, with instructive examples.
> Furthermore, maybe the "Settings" chapter should be moved to the end,
> since it might be a bit overwhelming up-front. (On the topic of
> settings, we could perhaps add an `evil-want-sparse-insert-state'
> customization variable for disabling most of the key bindings of
> Insert state.)
> [1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/VimMode_-_User%27s_Guide
> --
> Vegard
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