[PeDAGoG] [vikalp-sangam-list] A new article on RED website - "We thought it was fiction"

Fri Sep 24 17:46:49 CEST 2021

9/11 was orchestrated by multinational, corporate interests in response to
the Seattle NAFTA demonstrations.  They and governments are the worst
terrorists by far, so yes - a blanket anti-spyware scenario would be far,
far preferable.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 7:18 AM Hari DK <hari.coding at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm genuinely interested and curious in this, since part of my interest is
> in making data- and AI-based platforms 'safe' enough to enable applications
> of various sorts.
>
> Please entertain these questions/challenges from someone who neither
> pretends to be an activist nor an expert on the topic. Hopefully the
> discussion won't get 'acrimonious'!
>
> 1) "But to be effective, it must be blanket: no more spying software.
> Abolition. Period."
>
> We live in a path-dependent world. A lot of the acceleration of spying
> technologies has been in the aftermath of 9/11 and we should factor that
> into the explanation of its presence. Would you still support the abolition
> of spying software if it meant a 9/11 this year? This week? Tomorrow? Every
> day?
>
> 2) Keeping the above in mind, surely surveillance to a *reasonable extent
> *is the price we have to pay in order to secure ourselves from ourselves.
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty".
> Could I suggest that, if this is so, instead of a blanket abolition of
> spying, we should push for better and more oversight through proper
> governance and process?
>
> 3) If you say that better process on when and how to engage spying
> technology is not possible, then may I say to you - your agenda of
> "revolution" to achieve this seems to be much more impossible! What are you
> going to do - force every spying node on the Internet to decommission its
> tech? How? By pointing a gun to their head?
>
> I'm just the messenger, with a curiosity to learn. Interested in the
> responses!
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Sept 2021 at 00:22, Pallav Das <dpallav at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> *"Among the most glaring omissions in our arsenal as a movement is the
>> absence of a simple statement: we oppose government and corporate
>> surveillance of all kinds, we will never support it, and we will not work
>> with anyone who does. "*
>>
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> A new article, "We thought it was fiction", has been uploaded to the
>> Radical Ecological Democracy website. Alfredo Lopez, Melanie Bush, Hamid
>> Khan and Ken Montenegro, our colleagues from "May First Movement
>> Technology", discuss the threat posed by Pegasus, the malicious hacking
>> software, and how the progressive and “alternatives” communities should
>> organize to push back against this steady erosion of people’s rights, and
>> work to end tech dominance and intrusion into our lives. Please share the
>> article with your networks and join the discussion on REDlistserv. The
>> authors are copied here in case you would like to contact them directly.
>>
>> https://www.radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/we-thought-it-was-fiction/
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Pallav
>>
>>
>> Read more
>> <https://www.radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/we-thought-it-was-fiction/>
>>
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