les copio la respuesta que me dio mako en dos mails 1)
Do you have more information about that propietaries drives in linux kernel?
There are drivers and firmware and I suspect they are slightly different issues in terms of GPL compliance. In terms of freedom though the issue is pretty clear cut. I don't know too much about it -- I'm not a kernel hacker. But I can refer your tech folks to the people in Debian who do know. 2) On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 06:24:28PM -0300, Diego Saravia wrote:
do you believe that this issues affects the freedom status of ututo-e?
In my opinion, yes. In others', possibly not. Are you defining software to refer to documentation on the system? I think this question is open to debate. But what about software that runs on chips other than your computer's CPU (like firmware)? Where do you draw the line? You may be able to define "software" in a very narrow sense that will rescue your freedom status of ututo-e. I don't think demanding "ultimate freedom -- right now" makes sense. The GNU project used non-free software as a platform for creating the GNU tool chain. They basically had no choice. Do you use Google? It's non-free software. Do you uses a modem, wireless card, Ethernet card, video card, or CPU with binary firmware? It's all running non-free binary firmware -- which is software. Do you think it's a different freedom issue if it's loaded by the kernel or on the chip itself? Why? What about a mobile phone? That's running non-free software too. See what I mean? We pick our battles and I think we need to understand that this is a process and a goal. With current computers, I think a "100% free" system may not even possible.
you speak about documentation also, could you tell me more about it?
Yeah. Richard doesn't think that documentation needs to be held to the same standards as software. The GNU GFDL includes and allows for invariant non-removable sections, invariant non-removable cover texts, acknowledgments, dedications, and invariant endorsements. Few of these things would be permissible in a Free Software license. Richard is advocating them all for good reason. But there are good reasons for non-commercial use clauses on software too (look at MAME for example which would sued out of existence without the clause) but that doesn't make the license in question free. For more information, do a Google search for "GFDL Position Debian" and you'll come up with this position statement that sums of many of the problems raised by the Debian community. A few of them I don't agree with but most of them I do. Also, RFCs are totally invariant. "For good reason" many would argue but, like I said, I don't think good reasons change the importance of the Freedom to modify. I think it's an absolute. If you bring this up with Richard -- especially documentation, I would prefer if you left myself and Debian out of the discussion. He seems to harbor a bit of animosity toward Debian because of the nasty way that a small number of developers treated him the last time the GFDL really came up on Debian lists. I've been involved in internal discussions with folks at FSF about the license and would really prefer to not have name or organization as part of the discussion as I'm afraid it might compromise the chance of seeing real change on this. Regards, Mako -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:57:33 -0300, Daniel Olivera -Mate.Cosido wrote
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El Jue 26 Ago 2004 17:04, cristian escribió:
serÃa bueno ver la respuesta que le dan a la gente de Debian...
Yo personalmente le envie a Mako preguntandole cuales eran los drivers/firmwares que estan presentes en el kernel que se descarga desde kernel.org.
Nosotros en UTUTO-e no aplicamos parches al kernel, ni se liberan junto a este paquetes que contengan drivers/modules/firmware que no sean de licencias libres.
Aun no he recibido la respuesta de mako.
Segun tengo entendido el kernel descargado desde kernel.org es totalmente GPL y no usa driver/modules/firmwares de terceros que posean licencias nos libres.
Pero igualmente hace ya una semana que envie el mail a Mako sin respuesta aun.
Para nosotros es muy importante mantener el compromiso con el uso exclusivo en nuestro sistema de software libre. Si sabemos que por ejemplo el uso de algunos modulos para modems tipo Winmodem o USB son liberados bajo licencia no libres, es por eso que no son aplicados al kernel.
Tambien hemos revisado el kernel en busca de algun indicio de algo de lo indicado por Mako y no lo hemos encontrado.
Abrazos
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