Interesante ver esta frase de rms: "But it is better just to ignore them unless a lot of others start paying attention." es como una 'cara oculta' de rms, miren miren.... z/j To: [email protected] From: Alexandre Oliva <[email protected]> Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for FSF Latin America Subject: [Team] “peace agreement” with SOLAR, Vía Libre, FSFs? X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: <team.fsfla.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/team> List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> The Caracas Declaration brought about some significant amount of noise from our usual friends in Argentina and elsewhere. Hipatia's Juan Carlos Gentile didn't miss a beat before attacking us, SOLAR's Martín Olivera disputed our legitimacy, misunderstood and questioned the misunderstood suggestion of setting aside long-past historical differences, and SOLAR's Diego Saravia insisted on the agreement that he wanted us to sign with SOLAR long ago. http://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/solar-general/2009-July/050104.html http://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/solar-general/2009-July/050109.html http://lists.ourproject.org/pipermail/solar-general/2009-July/050126.html My first reaction to the thought of the agreement with SOLAR was the same as then: what's in it for us, what would the point be? But then I started pondering that RMS has managed quite a feat in his upcoming visit to Argentina, getting both groups to play along sort-of together, I thought we might use this very opportunity to establish a truce in Argentina. Say, rather than an agreement with SOLAR, we could suggest a multi-party agreement, with both SOLAR and Vía Libre in Argentina, FSFLA and other FSFes that got involved in the mess, and maybe even Hipatia. The agreement might be as simple as a commitment to mutual respect and recognition for each others' relevance, and some wording about encouraging, supporting and maybe even cooperating in activities that promote software freedom. If such an agreement comes about, it might cancel out much of the resistance that FSFLA encounters in Argentina and Uruguay, and the scenario may be further opened for cooperation between organizations that have failed to cooperate because of personal issues between some of their leaders, and we accomplish that remaining neutral rather than taking sides. If any of the organizations steps back, well, too bad, but it's not us who rejected an honest attempt at cooperation for our shared goals. Thoughts? -- Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/ You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi Be Free! -- http://FSFLA.org/ FSF Latin America board member Free Software Evangelist Red Hat Brazil Compiler Engineer _______________________________________________ Team mailing list [email protected] http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team _______________________________________________ Team mailing list [email protected] http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team X-Account-Key: account2 X-Mozilla-Keys: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ututo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.126 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.126 tagged_above=-100 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.527, BAYES_00=-2.599] From: Richard Stallman <[email protected]> To: Alexandre Oliva <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Team] “peace agreement” with SOLAR, Vía Libre, FSFs? X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Reply-To: [email protected] List-Id: <team.fsfla.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/team> List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team>, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> It seems very insane to me, but they seem quite set on that line of reasoning. It seems like they want so badly for someone to pay back to them that they can't let it go of us :-( Under this light, it was certainly a mistake to try to have some appearance of continuity. But I'm not sure that announcing we were starting from scratch, leaving behind even the public web site and past annoucements and writings, would have been enough to clear up their obsession. The name FSFLA itself is cursed, they say ;-( Don't worry about it. Indeed. They explicitly reject this notion, claiming we inherited all the history associated with the name, and therefore we're responsible for making up to them for whatever other groups that used the same name, and did to them, even before they created the organization with that name. If they said this in a public message, it should be easy to show that it not valid criticism. But it is better just to ignore them unless a lot of others start paying attention. _______________________________________________ Team mailing list [email protected] http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/team