Thanks Peter for pushing me for putting this toghether. Because of daily struggle had to put it off for a while. What had in mind as a guiding map was something like this: 1. Creating a global collective document of documents something looking like this: https://titanpad.com/collaboretariat where we could add collect and classify -in an accesible way like a library-catalog- of the collab. documents for important dates of spaces and actions, email lists, websites etc. 2. Using online and real world meetings to build on those documents, in order to build parallel translocal and transnational spaces for co-learning, co-producing, co-decision making, co-action building, so co-empowering in every way possible for as much people as possible about organizing, contributing, using these virtual and actual tools to move further. So that division between the wings of dual power (that is drawn and maintained by the division of mental and manual labour, organizers and organized) which enable oppressive structures to survive is diminished as much as possible. 3. Then using marches, like EuroMayDay caravans organized by precarious workers projects and anarchist autonomist activists (as Alex Foti), carnavals, creative cultural fun or serious ways of articulation to build concrete exchange channels and mechanisms between local, national, regional communities, with future confrontation with capital and state in mind. But instead declaring immediate class war on be half of the percariat, to smash the state power, with out any legitimacy and armies forged, and posing precarious new generation workers to predacious older generation european workers calling for a direct defeat and green flag for fascism) what is to be worker around is working solidarity and mutual aid networks with real economic power when connected to guarantee autonomy from left radical or revolutionary programs of 'organizers' operating with mental labour only. 4. For interlinking along way the 3 we use Open Value Networking, creating interconnected tools of registration, accounting, home or community based ekonima to nit a higher level labour division network that bypasses capitalist and oppressive modes. For example the Mikorizal software used by Sensorica is a great prefigurative form, as well as the one recently shared on the lists by Marcus to create Bioeconomy. 5. Getting ready to fight self defensive wars when largest possible legitimacy is won, not to be smashed and defend as much lives as possible. ...

On 9 August 2015 at 16:32, peter waterman <[email protected]> wrote: Orsan:

Both Anna's statement and your response seem to me to rather declare principles than to deal with process. In so far as we are concerned with the prefigurative, process is as relevant as goal. Well, obviously, since it is supposed to prefigure the latter.

Let us consider the WSF. This cannot realistically be simply presented as a global open space, even if it is a space (or recurring moment, actually) which is more open than that of some Real International 6th to Infinity Revolutionary International.

It is funded, directly or indirectly, by states, state-funded development agencies and capitalist foundations (tho Ford withdrew some time ago). It could certainly be considered one of John Holloway's 'cracks', or spaces in which emancipatory things can be said and done. But if the funders pull out the plug or plugs, then one (this one anyway) has to assume the decline, if not the fall, of the WSF.

The Zapatistas and Rojava exist in, or create, other such cracks. But they do not exist free of the 'austeritarian' capitalist and aggressive stateist conditions that surround them.

​All of which probably brings us back to the paper you provided us with earlier today, concerning the commons and the state.

Best,

P

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On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Orsan Senalp <[email protected]> wrote: replied below;

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On 05 Aug 2015, at 20:13, [email protected] wrote:

Excerpt: This is a society centred on a conscious exchange of activity for communal needs and communal purposes. It is a society of new, rich human beings who develop in the course of producing with others and for others; these are people for whom the desire to possess and the associated need for money (the real need that capitalism produces, Marx noted) wither away. We are describing a new world in which we have our individual needs, needs for our own “all-round development,” but where we are not driven by material incentives to act. It is a world in which our activity is its own reward (and is, indeed, “life’s prime want”) because we affirm ourselves as conscious social beings through that activity, a world in which we produce use-values for others and produce ourselves as part of the human family.

How is this accomplished?

Syriza, Podemos, progressive local governments and civil forces as well as creative and productive communities need to join in constructing and building up commons productive, reproductive cultural and political transformatory spaces. Using local, national, regional, and global open spaces like WSF, commons events, mobilizations, connecting them directly to those who are perishing by crises, imperialist wars, and environmental catastrophes. Existing tools needs to be tried to get integrated in a mutually cooperative fashion through those spaces and mobilizations to each other. Decision making, communicator and practical solidarity mechanisms needs to be interconnected with conscious and pure efforts for the good of all. It is not at all difficult if perspective and collaborative learning and making processes and tools discussed and collectively organized all together, with all parties involved listening and positive towards each others, ready to change self and willing to help others. Core understanding and expectations of all parties needs to be open and shared, recognized mutually.

So a time table, list of list and tools, map of maps of struggle can be brought to gather and peers would be put in touch with each other towards harmonizing efforts and contributions.

Open value chain networks, wiki wikis, and meta document tools are crucial as well as real world gatherings, classes, circles linked to solidarity economies, open worker cooperatives.

This is only a very small piece of thought but I believe important to starting from.

Orsan

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