anonymous campaign against p2p foundation
Dear Orsan, I think it is a good idea to ask James to publish some kind of report about p2p foundation funding, I copied him, Michel <<< From: Orsan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Cc: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Michel I know because you say so and I believe you, and I believe you because I feel it and we also met in person and spent some time. Obviously there are many like Heather who may be didn't meet you yet and can't believe you but also the fact that at this level it can be achieved by merely relying on your own free labour and under precarious conditions. This actually contradict with Heather's own experience, since what she has chosen to do is more about radical journalism and activism and that doesn't pay back at the level p2pf operates... anyway What I feel would be helpful, because this is what i think what is heather also most sensitive about (rightly as all of us), or some of us, is the feeling of injustice and being used. anyway forget about me and others, and just to quick fix the problem of possible DDoS attack, pls send Heather, even if in dutch, the year reports of the foundation which probably you have to publish every year and has to include the fiscal reports. iIn principle this is public info but usually they are not widely open right in the middle (just looked for but couldn't find on the wiki) so please send her so she has a proof, again this I guess would be a quick fix for the Anon campaign problem we have. if there is another reason behind it however it should be uncovered. while writing these lines i realized that her book is out http://www.amazon.com/Binding-Chaos-collaboration-global-scale/dp/1489527680... And looks like good read with a great title 'binding chaos' which I believe describes very good what you Michel and we all try to do, while collaborating radically and creating what I call a systemic 'change value'. and again right now remembering that she was raising a criticism towards p2p economies, probably that is also part of her book and -thinking loudly- her anger could be theoretically informed as well... anyway the contradiction here is worth to dig a bit more I think and given that the P2PF is now at a turning point with the recent great achievements in Ecuador and with the EU grant such reflection can be useful for all p2p friends. I still feel hopefully something very positive might come out of this. Orsan -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
It would be a good idea to do this yearly. How we do this should be part the ongoing P2PF development conversation. Kevin On 10 November 2013 23:25, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Orsan,
I think it is a good idea to ask James to publish some kind of report about p2p foundation funding, I copied him,
Michel
<<< From: Orsan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Cc: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Michel I know because you say so and I believe you, and I believe you because I feel it and we also met in person and spent some time. Obviously there are many like Heather who may be didn't meet you yet and can't believe you but also the fact that at this level it can be achieved by merely relying on your own free labour and under precarious conditions. This actually contradict with Heather's own experience, since what she has chosen to do is more about radical journalism and activism and that doesn't pay back at the level p2pf operates... anyway What I feel would be helpful, because this is what i think what is heather also most sensitive about (rightly as all of us), or some of us, is the feeling of injustice and being used. anyway forget about me and others, and just to quick fix the problem of possible DDoS attack, pls send Heather, even if in dutch, the year reports of the foundation which probably you have to publish every year and has to include the fiscal reports. iIn principle this is public info but usually they are not widely open right in the middle (just looked for but couldn't find on the wiki) so please send her so she has a proof, again this I guess would be a quick fix for the Anon campaign problem we have.
if there is another reason behind it however it should be uncovered. while writing these lines i realized that her book is outhttp://www.amazon.com/Binding-Chaos-collaboration-global-scale/dp/1489527680...
And looks like good read with a great title 'binding chaos' which I believe describes very good what you Michel and we all try to do, while collaborating radically and creating what I call a systemic 'change value'. and again right now remembering that she was raising a criticism towards p2p economies, probably that is also part of her book and -thinking loudly- her anger could be theoretically informed as well... anyway the contradiction here is worth to dig a bit more I think and given that the P2PF is now at a turning point with the recent great achievements in Ecuador and with the EU grant such reflection can be useful for all p2p friends. I still feel hopefully something very positive might come out of this. Orsan
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Hi All, I just asked the accountant to publish a 5 year document on our financial/tax situation. He might take a little while. J On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Orsan,
I think it is a good idea to ask James to publish some kind of report about p2p foundation funding, I copied him,
Michel
<<< From: Orsan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Cc: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Michel I know because you say so and I believe you, and I believe you because I feel it and we also met in person and spent some time. Obviously there are many like Heather who may be didn't meet you yet and can't believe you but also the fact that at this level it can be achieved by merely relying on your own free labour and under precarious conditions. This actually contradict with Heather's own experience, since what she has chosen to do is more about radical journalism and activism and that doesn't pay back at the level p2pf operates... anyway What I feel would be helpful, because this is what i think what is heather also most sensitive about (rightly as all of us), or some of us, is the feeling of injustice and being used. anyway forget about me and others, and just to quick fix the problem of possible DDoS attack, pls send Heather, even if in dutch, the year reports of the foundation which probably you have to publish every year and has to include the fiscal reports. iIn principle this is public info but usually they are not widely open right in the middle (just looked for but couldn't find on the wiki) so please send her so she has a proof, again this I guess would be a quick fix for the Anon campaign problem we have.
if there is another reason behind it however it should be uncovered. while writing these lines i realized that her book is out http://www.amazon.com/Binding-Chaos-collaboration-global-scale/dp/1489527680...
And looks like good read with a great title 'binding chaos' which I believe describes very good what you Michel and we all try to do, while collaborating radically and creating what I call a systemic 'change value'. and again right now remembering that she was raising a criticism towards p2p economies, probably that is also part of her book and -thinking loudly- her anger could be theoretically informed as well... anyway the contradiction here is worth to dig a bit more I think and given that the P2PF is now at a turning point with the recent great achievements in Ecuador and with the EU grant such reflection can be useful for all p2p friends. I still feel hopefully something very positive might come out of this. Orsan
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but it would also be good to produce a summary narrative of what we already know ... I will work on this later in quito and ask for your input, Michel On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 10:43 AM, james burke <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
I just asked the accountant to publish a 5 year document on our financial/tax situation. He might take a little while.
J
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:25 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]
wrote:
Dear Orsan,
I think it is a good idea to ask James to publish some kind of report about p2p foundation funding, I copied him,
Michel
<<< From: Orsan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] anonymous campaign against p2p-foundation To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]> Cc: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Michel I know because you say so and I believe you, and I believe you because I feel it and we also met in person and spent some time. Obviously there are many like Heather who may be didn't meet you yet and can't believe you but also the fact that at this level it can be achieved by merely relying on your own free labour and under precarious conditions. This actually contradict with Heather's own experience, since what she has chosen to do is more about radical journalism and activism and that doesn't pay back at the level p2pf operates... anyway What I feel would be helpful, because this is what i think what is heather also most sensitive about (rightly as all of us), or some of us, is the feeling of injustice and being used. anyway forget about me and others, and just to quick fix the problem of possible DDoS attack, pls send Heather, even if in dutch, the year reports of the foundation which probably you have to publish every year and has to include the fiscal reports. iIn principle this is public info but usually they are not widely open right in the middle (just looked for but couldn't find on the wiki) so please send her so she has a proof, again this I guess would be a quick fix for the Anon campaign problem we have.
if there is another reason behind it however it should be uncovered. while writing these lines i realized that her book is out http://www.amazon.com/Binding-Chaos-collaboration-global-scale/dp/1489527680...
And looks like good read with a great title 'binding chaos' which I believe describes very good what you Michel and we all try to do, while collaborating radically and creating what I call a systemic 'change value'. and again right now remembering that she was raising a criticism towards p2p economies, probably that is also part of her book and -thinking loudly- her anger could be theoretically informed as well... anyway the contradiction here is worth to dig a bit more I think and given that the P2PF is now at a turning point with the recent great achievements in Ecuador and with the EU grant such reflection can be useful for all p2p friends. I still feel hopefully something very positive might come out of this. Orsan
-- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
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Michel Bauwens