historical success of shorter working week
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends, Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)? As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
Michel A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas? Juliet On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote: Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends, Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)? As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net<http://p2pfoundation.net/> - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net<http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com<http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/>; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
thanks Juliet, already very useful, Michel On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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Michel et al., In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement. http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html best Tom Walker On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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Dear Tom, would it be possible to extract that part on the commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement, for excerpting in our p2p blog? in odt or doc format? (we can attach to scribd chapter to it as an embed function) Michel On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel et al.,
In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.
http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html
best
Tom Walker
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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Sure thing, Michel. I've excerpted chapter four, "The Labor Commons," minus a section at the end dealing with contract costing (which is probably too technical a digression) and I've uploaded it to scribd with the url and wordpress embed script copied below: url: http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/59880049?access_key=key-1ajmcetzddqc7zpz2zv... wordpress embed script: [scribd id=59880049 key=key-1ajmcetzddqc7zpz2zvm mode=list] On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Tom,
would it be possible to extract that part on the commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement, for excerpting in our p2p blog? in odt or doc format? (we can attach to scribd chapter to it as an embed function)
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel et al.,
In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.
http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html
best
Tom Walker
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog ... I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself, Michel On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]> wrote:
Michel et al.,
In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.
http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html
best
Tom Walker
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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Thanks, Michel I'll work up a brief outline. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog ...
I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel et al.,
In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.
http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html
best
Tom Walker
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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perhaps what would be useful to start with, as our audience doesn't know you, is the total logic of your work, i.e. why are you writing those 2 books specifically, 'what problem are you trying to solve' and who are you 'debating' with ... later on, we can give more extensive treatment of your books in our book of the week program, if you're interested, this involves 3 presentations per book, on a given week, with a general presentation followed by 2 significant experts, Michel On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Sandwichman <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, Michel I'll work up a brief outline.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog ...
I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel et al.,
In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement.
http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html
best
Tom Walker
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]
wrote:
thanks Juliet, already very useful,
Michel
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <[email protected]>wrote:
Michel
A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas?
Juliet
On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:
Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends,
Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working weeks (with keeping full pay)?
As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references,
Michel
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