Hello from Greece, This is the fifth day and the crowd is increasing in Syntagma square in Athens. There must have been more than 30.000 people this evening and there are still there more than 10.000 at 11.30 pm (today). As a genuine gathering of the multitude there are not prevailing slogans apart from "thefts" and "take a helicopter and leave this place" (it refers to what has happened in Argentina). Flags of Argentina can be also seen among the demonstrators. In the front a banner says in Spanish "we are desperate, we woke-up. What time is it? Its time for them to leave". People are dancing shouting or just hanging around talking to each other. A "general assembly" is held at late hours in the square, where people can take the microphone, speak and say what they think freely. It's not stopping and it will not stop although I think that maybe there will be less people the forthcoming days. Maybe you are not aware on the details of the Greek time lines. There are enough money for the government until the 14 July and they desperately need the next dose of the IMF and the EU to keep the country running. EU governments are blackmailing, asking for a national consensus of at least the governing socialist party and the conservative right party, but the conservatives do not accept. They are asking for a huge privatization plan which practically spans all public enterprises including water companies and land. The latter is something quite difficult to be accepted by the public opinion. The idea that prevails is that after selling all these crucial resources nothing will really change for the people and most possibly we will be in the same position of bankruptcy after a year or maybe two having lost by this time most of public resources. Also a huge tax collection plan is under finalization which according to leakages it will cost 3.000-4000 euros annually for a family with 4 persons . This means that a lot of marginally surviving people will fell below the elementary standard of living. Another 150.000 unemployed are expected for the forthcoming year. Final decisions will be announced most probably at 6th of June - so keep this date in mind. It might be the beginning of real bloody demonstrations. What are the political implications of this mass mobilization and which are the probable effects? Although is difficult to say I am thinking that most probably if this dynamic goes on it might be impossible for the government to vote for the new measures. At this stage political instability with these time lines means bankruptcy. Another interesting story is that parts of the national capitalist class are seriously thinking of bankrupting the country and take over with a new drachma. This is not discussed politically openly because a return to a national currency will be extremely painful for the masses. In fact the story of Argentina is well known. My impression of the overall situation is that for several reasons Greece follows the road to an open bankruptcy with several people waiting to benefit from that and nobody taking the political risk to support it. Since European governments are deeply divided on the Greek crisis, it is difficult to believe that they will act in a coordinated, quick and generous way to avoid the storm, although this cannot be ruled out. Now, some figures from the public opinion Red = the IMF-EU program is not beneficiary for the country Blue = it is beneficiary The most important slide which shows the bankruptcy of the ruling system in Greece is the following. Please pay attention... Red = do not trust Blue= trust Top bar (1st) = fellow citizens/people 2nd= social movements 3rd=banks 4th=media 5th=trade unions 6th=parliament 7th=governments 8th=political parties Does this explain to you what happens now at Syntagma square? Best regards George Στις 29/05/2011 04:45 μμ, ο/η [email protected] έγραψε:
To make use of a Yes Man style media action project in order to reach out poeple and create a ripple effect!
Citeren Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
great Orsan!
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:08 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
That would be great! I have already pasted acall on a new discussion group i created about Global P2P Revolution on p2p ning:
http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/group/peerlabour/forum/topics/anonymous-call-f...
Citeren Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>:
I really think we should contribute to this as p2p collectives and
individuals ...
I really think that Amaia has found the right formula with her storify's, which we can easily embed in our blog, and Naomi Klein has already retweeted amaia's story ...
what I propose is the following, i.e. that each of you used storify to keep track of developments in your own area,
then we need one extra volunteer to do this on the 'global level',
an alternative is to use a specific tag for this and I could do a weekly roundup of this global tag ... say Global-P2P-Revolution ??
we can also use Peer Labour at Ning to discuss and spread the word?
Michel
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]
wrote:
The whole world peacefully rising against all that is unjust on 11.11.11
would send shivers down God's own spine (:P), I think it is a great idea. If the momentum keeps going until then (and I don't see why not, they are surely not going to make it easy for us) I guess we have enough time to globally link up and try.
I'm up for anything, you can only try. And the idea of somehow just concentrating on linking up people makes sense. There are many who organise stuff but are not particularly that well aware of who else is out there and/or what else is being done. And having somewhere decent where to go and see who is out there, doing what and when is not a bad idea either. Many find the internet disorienting in that there is too much data and they don't know how to search (or they have the idea that they don't and so they don't try).
On 27 May 2011 15:43, <[email protected]> wrote:
Unindefined Revolutionary Objects (UROs) are appearing like thunder
stike around the world and occupying important city centers... where is this process headed to! May be it is time to pool key people from Greece, UK, Tunusia, Egypt, Wisconsin, and Spain like you Amaia in order to forge for a harmonised city center occupations in all G20 or even glibally? You might have the right names Michel. We are entering into an critical time zone, I think the climate is getting ready for such an action. So we need to link up! There are already several calls for world strike or similar global uprising. One anaymous call suggests 11.11.11 for such uprising!
Citeren Samuel Rose <[email protected]>:
take care of yourself out there, Chris!
> > On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, [email protected] < > [email protected]> wrote: > > ok, the police have retreated from the Plaça firing rubber > bullets in > >> the >> air & it is occupied again, now without infrastructure >> >> sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> On 27/05/2011, at 12:53, Amaia Arcos <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Sure, no worries, I'm in. What email address do I send stuff to so >> that >> I >> don't end up spamming people unnecessarily? >> >> I agree with Michel, to me this looks like something big could >> come >> out >> of >> it. I'd never dreamt of what is happening when I started "being a >> pain" >> about the need to go out on May 15th in Spain. I was only >> hoping for a >> decent turnout that day. Italy happily obliging within a couple of >> days >> and >> then Greece and then this #europeanrevolution being organised for >> Sunday >> is >> a massive surprise. I thought Europe was dead, there might be >> hope o.O >> >> On 27 May 2011 09:24, Michel Bauwens < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Chris, >> >>> >>> in a short intro to a piece on spain, I wrote the following >>> endorsement, >>> so I think we should follow this very closely and support this >>> evolving >>> global movement to the best of our abilities, >>> >>> I hope you can be our point man, perhaps with Amaia as >>> pointwoman, in >>> Spain, I think her storyify format would be great for regular >>> updates >>> ... >>> >>> I also copying vasilis and George in Greece, in the hope they can >>> contribute stories about how this develops in Greece, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> When people agree on what they don't want, i.e. a market >>> dictatorship >>> in >>> the hands of a financial predatory class, but are open-minded >>> about >>> the >>> future, what should they ask for? >>> >>> The answer is very simply: true democracy, as this leaves all >>> options >>> open >>> to create 'other worlds'. >>> >>> This is why the relative indeterminacy of the Spanish movement >>> is not >>> a >>> bug, but a feature. It signals civil society forces have found a >>> format >>> for >>> their protests, and a unifying platform, and this is why what >>> happened >>> in >>> Spain is really Ground Zero for the start of a process towards >>> deep >>> transformation of our civilisation and political economy. It's >>> early >>> days, >>> just green shoots, and the new generations have to be politically >>> schooled >>> as they face obstacles and repression, but, the tipping point has >>> been >>> reached, and something new has blossomed in the world. >>> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Chris Pinchen << >>> [email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Right now police are violenty evicting the camp in Plaça >>> Catalunya >>> >>>> using >>>> the excuse that they need to clean the square for a football >>>> celebration >>>> tomorrow. 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