16 Jan
2014
16 Jan
'14
4:58 a.m.
Dear all, In an attempt to consolidate my threads, I just posted the latest at [email protected]. Please comment about the project there. If there is a better place, let me know. Sorry about double posting. Here is the link:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2014Jan/0041.html On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]>wrote: > I think the best thing I can do is post what I have been working on on the > web and let it receive criticism. There is one part that is more specific > to an institution. I'll see what I can put from that into the more general > writing. I guess it would be bad if I shared their name right now, not that > they have read what I have been writing presently or have officially > supported me in its development. Thanks everyone. > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I would only add that It helps if your proposal is scientifically >> correct. There may be many proposals these days, but how many of them are >> valid? >> Having the laws of nature at your side is the best ally you could have. >> >> But scientific rigor requires great effort and so you ll need to have an >> income. >> >> >> 2014/1/1 Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> >> >>> or ... we can create collaboratives to work on the development of tools >>> together, >>> >>> and then use the tools to generate our own markets and economic >>> opportunities... >>> >>> For setting up such collaboratives, we need to generate sufficient >>> engagement, a plan, and find some financing. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think there are two different issues here, >>>> >>>> one is the proposal, which has to go through the darwinian process of >>>> being discussed, accepted, rejected by individuals and communities of >>>> interest ... ; the only thing to do here is to refine and spread the >>>> proposal and interact with whomever is interested ... but we live in age of >>>> a cambrian explosion of transformative proposals, so it won't be easy. >>>> Better in my opinion is to engage with social movements that are maximally >>>> close to the values and ideas you propose. >>>> >>>> the second is making a living; it is almost impossible to make a living >>>> with reform ideas only , though not impossible, as our work with the p2p-f >>>> shows; but I would not recommend the hardship to anyone; and my hunch is >>>> that professionalisation is needed at some point, i.e. transforming into an >>>> institution that can guarantee at least some livelyhoods for core organizers >>>> >>>> finding the common ground between one's passion, one's skills, and >>>> social needs is the holy grail, but this is very hard to do in the realm of >>>> ideas, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Send P2P-Foundation mailing list submissions to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of P2P-Foundation digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>>> (Brent Shambaugh) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:59:34 -0600 >>>>> From: Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>>> is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]>, P2P Foundation >>>>> mailing list <[email protected]> >>>>> Cc: Dan Robles <[email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro >>>>> <[email protected]>, Jim Lee <[email protected]>, >>>>> Fernanda >>>>> Ibarra <[email protected]>, Connor Turland >>>>> <[email protected]>, Benjamin Brownell < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> Helene Finidori <[email protected]>, Eric Harris-Braun >>>>> <[email protected]>, heather vescent < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> Vinay Gupta <[email protected]>, Suresh Fernando >>>>> <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Michel >>>>> Bauwens >>>>> <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> < >>>>> CACvcBVqcdD7rppeshih8-87UxTR-9EY7MXedjhq8VWRLdcGT3Q@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the >>>>> ideas >>>>> from my Distributed Economy blog ( >>>>> http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind >>>>> of >>>>> felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I >>>>> felt >>>>> I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself. >>>>> It is >>>>> hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of >>>>> academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was >>>>> unsure >>>>> build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I >>>>> also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time >>>>> for >>>>> self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid >>>>> enough >>>>> that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's >>>>> scope >>>>> was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I >>>>> basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and >>>>> everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, >>>>> etc...). >>>>> Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I >>>>> just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's >>>>> the >>>>> sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have >>>>> done a >>>>> lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did >>>>> much >>>>> beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others >>>>> might >>>>> not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private, >>>>> while >>>>> at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community. >>>>> Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to >>>>> share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm >>>>> almost >>>>> done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to >>>>> fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same >>>>> time I >>>>> need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs >>>>> the >>>>> support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are >>>>> there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way. >>>>> >>>>> -Brent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Thanks Eric >>>>> > >>>>> > Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are >>>>> doing >>>>> > around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. >>>>> > >>>>> > further note : >>>>> > an interesting reply by June on this thread, >>>>> > also available on the public p2pf list archive >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01085.html >>>>> > >>>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson >>>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>>> is >>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01087.html >>>>> > >>>>> > June Gorman >>>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>>> is >>>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01088.html >>>>> > >>>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun < >>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Hi All, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency >>>>> Project >>>>> >> has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our >>>>> point of >>>>> >> view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are >>>>> designing to >>>>> >> build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest >>>>> levels of the >>>>> >> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent >>>>> embodied >>>>> >> in RDF/URI. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech >>>>> hang-out in >>>>> >> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop >>>>> me a >>>>> >> line. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -Eric >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >>>>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, >>>>> * >>>>> >>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation >>>>> blog,* >>>>> >>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * >>>>> >>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - >>>>> >>> and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our >>>>> >>> realities collectively -* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our >>>>> >>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can >>>>> help in >>>>> >>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it >>>>> with nice >>>>> >>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to >>>>> do - yet >>>>> >>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not >>>>> only about >>>>> >>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to >>>>> work >>>>> >>> together on various applications based on common protocols. * >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... >>>>> * >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I >>>>> am open >>>>> >>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an >>>>> easier to >>>>> >>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> for your replies. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after >>>>> an >>>>> >>> email exchange with Michel. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest >>>>> >>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related >>>>> forums. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could >>>>> be the >>>>> >>> reason, >>>>> >>> and how could it be better communicated. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in >>>>> using >>>>> >>> such technologies in their research and development of >>>>> applications, >>>>> >>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such >>>>> >>> technologies, >>>>> >>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these >>>>> >>> applications to enable yet new applications. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value >>>>> Network >>>>> >>> tools... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety >>>>> of >>>>> >>> applications, >>>>> >>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching >>>>> approaches, >>>>> >>> and inviting others into such research and development, which >>>>> hopefully can >>>>> >>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of >>>>> learning >>>>> >>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already >>>>> >>> including ) such approaches ... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using >>>>> >>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is >>>>> regaining >>>>> >>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in >>>>> support of >>>>> >>> Sharing Economy applications ? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> /// >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the >>>>> >>> development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks >>>>> about , >>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first >>>>> >>> Holoptism ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and >>>>> >>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"< >>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival> >>>>> >>> , >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " >>>>> Noosphere " >>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a >>>>> >>> convergence with artificial intelligence. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> See : >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg >>>>> >>> ( and another graph about internet evolution >>>>> >>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm , also calling some >>>>> >>> phases we have technologies for and for which we need more >>>>> collaboration in >>>>> >>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb" >>>>> >>> >>>>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective >>>>> >>> Intelligence, to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies, >>>>> ... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field >>>>> of >>>>> >>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the >>>>> Global >>>>> >>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> There are so many implications regarding decision making, >>>>> collaboration >>>>> >>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and >>>>> even >>>>> >>> finance... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data >>>>> >>> approaches, >>>>> >>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and >>>>> >>> technologies, >>>>> >>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> There are series of existing Ontologies. RDF Schema being one >>>>> approach >>>>> >>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance. >>>>> >>> There is also the use of Json. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and >>>>> >>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies... And I did not even mention >>>>> other >>>>> >>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach >>>>> ? ) , >>>>> >>> such as that of Pierre Levy >>>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML >>>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each >>>>> application, >>>>> >>> various combinations of technologies may been considered, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data >>>>> that >>>>> >>> can be re-used along compatible data graph approaches... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could >>>>> understand, >>>>> >>> and beyond any one specific project ? Enable the imagery of a >>>>> new way >>>>> >>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to >>>>> >>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we >>>>> play >>>>> >>> based on such contextualization layers ? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various >>>>> applications, >>>>> >>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely >>>>> >>> called "The Internet of Things"< >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> / >>>>> >>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in >>>>> support of >>>>> >>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution >>>>> Economy >>>>> >>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various >>>>> existing >>>>> >>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage, >>>>> reducing the >>>>> >>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for >>>>> >>> organizing ourselves using such data ... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> There are many more themes this relates to. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc >>>>> >>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like >>>>> components that >>>>> >>> can easily be re-assembled ? ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we >>>>> can >>>>> >>> be ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used >>>>> to trap us >>>>> >>> in it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement >>>>> views, give >>>>> >>> your own perceptions, etc >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web >>>>> 4.0" >>>>> >>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to >>>>> work >>>>> >>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these >>>>> concepts, >>>>> >>> and understand that these potentials are very real and are current >>>>> - and we >>>>> >>> can participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit >>>>> from its >>>>> >>> potentials. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good >>>>> with >>>>> >>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger >>>>> partnerships -, >>>>> >>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to >>>>> motivate >>>>> >>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach - >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> see : >>>>> http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that >>>>> can be >>>>> >>> used to illustrate such concepts... I am willing to bring them >>>>> together. >>>>> >>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting >>>>> research >>>>> >>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog >>>>> articles. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Forwarded conversation >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>>> >>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>>> >>> ------------------------ >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM >>>>> >>> To: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to >>>>> me ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials* >>>>> >>> *B ) Not interested* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> and >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data >>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>* >>>>> >>> *2 ) Know about it* >>>>> >>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data >>>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in >>>>> support of p2p >>>>> >>> 4 commons ? )* >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> // >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Context of my question : >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic >>>>> with much >>>>> >>> interest on the p2pf related forums. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know >>>>> about >>>>> >>> Linked Data, and its potentials ? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to >>>>> bring it >>>>> >>> up on this specific list ? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, >>>>> >>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for >>>>> a few >>>>> >>> years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a >>>>> programmer over >>>>> >>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be >>>>> taken to >>>>> >>> create certain applications. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> /// >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick >>>>> , >>>>> >>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not >>>>> have to >>>>> >>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you >>>>> like. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain >>>>> what >>>>> >>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored >>>>> the >>>>> >>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to >>>>> manifest them >>>>> >>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons >>>>> >>> oriented political economies. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Cordially, >>>>> >>> Dante >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ---------- >>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM >>>>> >>> To: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Bob Haugen < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro <[email protected]>, >>>>> Benjamin >>>>> >>> Brownell <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <[email protected]>, Dan Robles < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, S H <[email protected]>, Helene Finidori < >>>>> >>> [email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> sent this to p2pf list ... >>>>> >>> Cordially, Dante >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ---------- >>>>> >>> From: *Helene Finidori* <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM >>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Bob Haugen < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro <[email protected]>, >>>>> Benjamin >>>>> >>> Brownell <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < >>>>> [email protected]>, >>>>> >>> elf Pavlik <[email protected]>, Dan Robles < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, S H <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Good idea. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp >>>>> last >>>>> >>> May? Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and >>>>> info to >>>>> >>> 'find each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and >>>>> capacities? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value >>>>> proposition' a >>>>> >>> bit :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for >>>>> , or >>>>> >>> that's how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. >>>>> And yes, >>>>> >>> create a collective... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ---------- >>>>> >>> From: *Bob Haugen* <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM >>>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, Benjamin Brownell <[email protected]>, >>>>> >>> Arthur Brock <[email protected]>, Eric Harris-Braun < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, elf Pavlik >>>>> < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, Dan Robles <[email protected]>, >>>>> S H < >>>>> >>> [email protected]>, Helene Finidori <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing >>>>> >>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will >>>>> have >>>>> >>> them eventually. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to >>>>> >>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only >>>>> format >>>>> >>> that has been requested. Would happily learn and use RDF if >>>>> needed. >>>>> >>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of >>>>> >>> value-creating and using activities). The pace of offerings >>>>> depends >>>>> >>> on somebody wanting to use them. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ---------- >>>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM >>>>> >>> To: Helene Finidori <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this >>>>> is a >>>>> >>> research project, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to >>>>> >>> contribute to make such visions into reality... including via >>>>> their own >>>>> >>> projects, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can >>>>> re-use >>>>> >>> for their own purposes... >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>