I just asked vasilis, also already spreading the news via fb and twitter, Michel On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:47 PM, jules peck <[email protected]
wrote:
It would be great if someone close to this were to blog about this so we can spread the word.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:09 PM, George Papanikolaou < [email protected]> wrote:
Eleftherios thank you for the translation. Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to the commons ideas.
Best regards George
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry for my previous half finished message.
Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
"Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the commons personally and in public is the following.
I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with a
general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a strong foundation of *common goods*, a society-centric model, which would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in Greece and worldwide. Thank you.
Greek speakers could find the original here.
http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041
I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)
"Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"
The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter of the commons.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list < [email protected]> wrote:
understood Vasilis,
but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when conditions are right ..
so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer term change,
Michel
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis < [email protected]> wrote:
Michel,
The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the situation and give us time for experimentation".
Let's see...
v.
On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:
> This is very important news: > > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? > especially in english ? > > see: > > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new bottom-up, > Commons-based productive models which will have a global orientation and > will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable development." > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >
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