4 Jan
2014
4 Jan
'14
5:21 p.m.
I think the best thing I can do is post what I have been working on on the web and let it receive criticism. There is one part that is more specific to an institution. I'll see what I can put from that into the more general writing. I guess it would be bad if I shared their name right now, not that they have read what I have been writing presently or have officially supported me in its development. Thanks everyone. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis < [email protected]> wrote: > I would only add that It helps if your proposal is scientifically correct. > There may be many proposals these days, but how many of them are valid? > Having the laws of nature at your side is the best ally you could have. > > But scientific rigor requires great effort and so you ll need to have an > income. > > > 2014/1/1 Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> > >> or ... we can create collaboratives to work on the development of tools >> together, >> >> and then use the tools to generate our own markets and economic >> opportunities... >> >> For setting up such collaboratives, we need to generate sufficient >> engagement, a plan, and find some financing. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I think there are two different issues here, >>> >>> one is the proposal, which has to go through the darwinian process of >>> being discussed, accepted, rejected by individuals and communities of >>> interest ... ; the only thing to do here is to refine and spread the >>> proposal and interact with whomever is interested ... but we live in age of >>> a cambrian explosion of transformative proposals, so it won't be easy. >>> Better in my opinion is to engage with social movements that are maximally >>> close to the values and ideas you propose. >>> >>> the second is making a living; it is almost impossible to make a living >>> with reform ideas only , though not impossible, as our work with the p2p-f >>> shows; but I would not recommend the hardship to anyone; and my hunch is >>> that professionalisation is needed at some point, i.e. transforming into an >>> institution that can guarantee at least some livelyhoods for core organizers >>> >>> finding the common ground between one's passion, one's skills, and >>> social needs is the holy grail, but this is very hard to do in the realm of >>> ideas, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Send P2P-Foundation mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of P2P-Foundation digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>> (Brent Shambaugh) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:59:34 -0600 >>>> From: Brent Shambaugh <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>> is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]>, P2P Foundation >>>> mailing list <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: Dan Robles <[email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro >>>> <[email protected]>, Jim Lee <[email protected]>, >>>> Fernanda >>>> Ibarra <[email protected]>, Connor Turland >>>> <[email protected]>, Benjamin Brownell < >>>> [email protected]>, >>>> Helene Finidori <[email protected]>, Eric Harris-Braun >>>> <[email protected]>, heather vescent < >>>> [email protected]>, >>>> Vinay Gupta <[email protected]>, Suresh Fernando >>>> <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Michel >>>> Bauwens >>>> <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> < >>>> CACvcBVqcdD7rppeshih8-87UxTR-9EY7MXedjhq8VWRLdcGT3Q@mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the >>>> ideas >>>> from my Distributed Economy blog ( >>>> http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind >>>> of >>>> felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I >>>> felt >>>> I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself. >>>> It is >>>> hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of >>>> academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was >>>> unsure >>>> build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I >>>> also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time for >>>> self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid >>>> enough >>>> that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's >>>> scope >>>> was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I >>>> basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and >>>> everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, etc...). >>>> Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I >>>> just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's the >>>> sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have done >>>> a >>>> lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did >>>> much >>>> beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others >>>> might >>>> not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private, >>>> while >>>> at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community. >>>> Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to >>>> share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm >>>> almost >>>> done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to >>>> fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same time >>>> I >>>> need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs >>>> the >>>> support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are >>>> there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way. >>>> >>>> -Brent >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Thanks Eric >>>> > >>>> > Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are >>>> doing >>>> > around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. >>>> > >>>> > further note : >>>> > an interesting reply by June on this thread, >>>> > also available on the public p2pf list archive >>>> > >>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01085.html >>>> > >>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson >>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>> is >>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01087.html >>>> > >>>> > June Gorman >>>> > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested >>>> is >>>> > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01088.html >>>> > >>>> > Dante-Gabryell Monson >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun < >>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Hi All, >>>> >> >>>> >> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency >>>> Project >>>> >> has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our >>>> point of >>>> >> view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are >>>> designing to >>>> >> build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels >>>> of the >>>> >> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent >>>> embodied >>>> >> in RDF/URI. >>>> >> >>>> >> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out >>>> in >>>> >> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop >>>> me a >>>> >> line. >>>> >> >>>> >> -Eric >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >>>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * >>>> >>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation >>>> blog,* >>>> >>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * >>>> >>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - >>>> >>> and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our >>>> >>> realities collectively -* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our >>>> >>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can >>>> help in >>>> >>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it >>>> with nice >>>> >>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to >>>> do - yet >>>> >>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only >>>> about >>>> >>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to work >>>> >>> together on various applications based on common protocols. * >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... * >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am >>>> open >>>> >>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an >>>> easier to >>>> >>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> for your replies. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an >>>> >>> email exchange with Michel. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest >>>> >>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related >>>> forums. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be >>>> the >>>> >>> reason, >>>> >>> and how could it be better communicated. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in >>>> using >>>> >>> such technologies in their research and development of applications, >>>> >>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such >>>> >>> technologies, >>>> >>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these >>>> >>> applications to enable yet new applications. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value >>>> Network >>>> >>> tools... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety >>>> of >>>> >>> applications, >>>> >>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching >>>> approaches, >>>> >>> and inviting others into such research and development, which >>>> hopefully can >>>> >>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of >>>> learning >>>> >>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already >>>> >>> including ) such approaches ... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using >>>> >>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is >>>> regaining >>>> >>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in >>>> support of >>>> >>> Sharing Economy applications ? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> /// >>>> >>> >>>> >>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the >>>> >>> development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks >>>> about , >>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first >>>> >>> Holoptism ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and >>>> >>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"< >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival> >>>> >>> , >>>> >>> >>>> >>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " Noosphere >>>> " >>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a >>>> >>> convergence with artificial intelligence. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> See : >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg >>>> >>> ( and another graph about internet evolution >>>> >>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm , also calling some >>>> >>> phases we have technologies for and for which we need more >>>> collaboration in >>>> >>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb" >>>> >>> >>>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective >>>> >>> Intelligence, to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies, >>>> ... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field >>>> of >>>> >>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the >>>> Global >>>> >>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There are so many implications regarding decision making, >>>> collaboration >>>> >>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and >>>> even >>>> >>> finance... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data >>>> >>> approaches, >>>> >>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and >>>> >>> technologies, >>>> >>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There are series of existing Ontologies. RDF Schema being one >>>> approach >>>> >>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance. >>>> >>> There is also the use of Json. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and >>>> >>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies... And I did not even mention >>>> other >>>> >>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach ? >>>> ) , >>>> >>> such as that of Pierre Levy >>>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML >>>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language >>>> >>> >>>> >>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each >>>> application, >>>> >>> various combinations of technologies may been considered, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data >>>> that >>>> >>> can be re-used along compatible data graph approaches... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could >>>> understand, >>>> >>> and beyond any one specific project ? Enable the imagery of a new >>>> way >>>> >>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to >>>> >>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we >>>> play >>>> >>> based on such contextualization layers ? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various >>>> applications, >>>> >>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely >>>> >>> called "The Internet of Things"< >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> / >>>> >>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in support >>>> of >>>> >>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution >>>> Economy >>>> >>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various >>>> existing >>>> >>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage, >>>> reducing the >>>> >>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for >>>> >>> organizing ourselves using such data ... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There are many more themes this relates to. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc >>>> >>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like components >>>> that >>>> >>> can easily be re-assembled ? ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we >>>> can >>>> >>> be ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used to >>>> trap us >>>> >>> in it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement views, >>>> give >>>> >>> your own perceptions, etc >>>> >>> >>>> >>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web >>>> 4.0" >>>> >>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to work >>>> >>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these >>>> concepts, >>>> >>> and understand that these potentials are very real and are current >>>> - and we >>>> >>> can participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit >>>> from its >>>> >>> potentials. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good with >>>> >>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger >>>> partnerships -, >>>> >>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to >>>> motivate >>>> >>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach - >>>> >>> >>>> >>> see : http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that >>>> can be >>>> >>> used to illustrate such concepts... I am willing to bring them >>>> together. >>>> >>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting >>>> research >>>> >>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog articles. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Forwarded conversation >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is >>>> >>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! >>>> >>> ------------------------ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM >>>> >>> To: p2p-foundation <[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to >>>> me ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials* >>>> >>> *B ) Not interested* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> >>>> >>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data >>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>* >>>> >>> *2 ) Know about it* >>>> >>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data >>>> >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in >>>> support of p2p >>>> >>> 4 commons ? )* >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> // >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Context of my question : >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with >>>> much >>>> >>> interest on the p2pf related forums. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know >>>> about >>>> >>> Linked Data, and its potentials ? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring >>>> it >>>> >>> up on this specific list ? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, >>>> >>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a >>>> few >>>> >>> years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a >>>> programmer over >>>> >>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken >>>> to >>>> >>> create certain applications. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> /// >>>> >>> >>>> >>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick , >>>> >>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not >>>> have to >>>> >>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you >>>> like. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain >>>> what >>>> >>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored >>>> the >>>> >>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to >>>> manifest them >>>> >>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons >>>> >>> oriented political economies. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Cordially, >>>> >>> Dante >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ---------- >>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM >>>> >>> To: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Bob Haugen < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro <[email protected]>, >>>> Benjamin >>>> >>> Brownell <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock <[email protected] >>>> >, >>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < >>>> [email protected]>, >>>> >>> elf Pavlik <[email protected]>, Dan Robles < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, S H <[email protected]>, Helene Finidori < >>>> >>> [email protected]> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> sent this to p2pf list ... >>>> >>> Cordially, Dante >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ---------- >>>> >>> From: *Helene Finidori* <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM >>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Bob Haugen < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro <[email protected]>, >>>> Benjamin >>>> >>> Brownell <[email protected]>, Arthur Brock <[email protected] >>>> >, >>>> >>> Eric Harris-Braun <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" < >>>> [email protected]>, >>>> >>> elf Pavlik <[email protected]>, Dan Robles < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, S H <[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Good idea. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp last >>>> >>> May? Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and >>>> info to >>>> >>> 'find each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and >>>> capacities? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value proposition' >>>> a >>>> >>> bit :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for >>>> , or >>>> >>> that's how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. And >>>> yes, >>>> >>> create a collective... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ---------- >>>> >>> From: *Bob Haugen* <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM >>>> >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Cc: Connor Turland <[email protected]>, Ishan Shapiro < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, Benjamin Brownell <[email protected]>, >>>> >>> Arthur Brock <[email protected]>, Eric Harris-Braun < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, elf Pavlik < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, Dan Robles <[email protected]>, >>>> S H < >>>> >>> [email protected]>, Helene Finidori <[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing >>>> >>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will >>>> have >>>> >>> them eventually. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to >>>> >>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only >>>> format >>>> >>> that has been requested. Would happily learn and use RDF if needed. >>>> >>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of >>>> >>> value-creating and using activities). The pace of offerings depends >>>> >>> on somebody wanting to use them. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ---------- >>>> >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <[email protected]> >>>> >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM >>>> >>> To: Helene Finidori <[email protected]> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this >>>> is a >>>> >>> research project, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to >>>> >>> contribute to make such visions into reality... including via >>>> their own >>>> >>> projects, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can >>>> re-use >>>> >>> for their own purposes... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> > >>>> > >>>>