I am all for an integrative approach, and it is also how I work, but not from a position of, it's all or nothing, but rather from a position of, how can we nudge improvements in every integrated aspect .. we organized the huge ICC and ECC conferences, which in my eyes and those of many others, where important moments for commons convergence, but I remember, George Por took a position which I relate to that of Anna, i.e. he was absolutely convinced that integral faciliation was needed .. the reality is, no matter how many times we proposed it, the majority just didn't want it, so you proceed to organize with how people are, not how you want them to be .. <<anna: Thanks for this response. What I sense is that it's OK to pursue this topic as long as it is kept separate from the efforts focussed on political and theoretical change. Yet my point is that this is absolutely intrinsic to what p2p is about, the inner and outer aspects of the same thing. Nothing needs to be added, just allowing what is already there to be revealed, and not putting energy into resisting it. Focussing on external achievements, as in the example of Podemos you gave, can lead to frustration and despair. Unless these feelings are addressed they can sabotage movement solidarity. Likewise the joy and excitement of sharing and collaboration are an integral part of our evolving humanity. ?Without developing the inner culture of the human being, we cannot develop a sustainable future.? E F Schumacher The inspiring review of Chris Dixon's book by Garces points to the same need to include a more wholistic consciousness in our relationships. Otto Scharma makes the same point. 'We might say it this way: The success of our actions as change-makers does not depend on what we do or how we do it, but on the inner place from which we operate.' Anna -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/