Hi all, On 03/19/2011 12:32 AM, Gordon Cook wrote:
in some way similar? Only in the store and forward sense of making the next hop. Randy bush was backbacking around south america in the 1980s doing uucp and then fido, dave hughes did fido with big sky telegraph, i carried a 9600 baud modem to moscow for one of the first russian fidos.
wireless mesh is MUCH faster BUT although i'd like to see it happen i doubt that it will ever be globally routable. sascha, do you agree or not? If anyone thinks it can be globally routable please tell me how.
IPv6 does allow global routability. Currently, we're working on distributed and ad-hoc mesh routability at massive scale. I don't think we've yet found a limit and (thus far) technological improvements have outstripped any scalability issues, but the problem of routing overhead is one that we're constantly working on. Meanwhile, in terms of precursors, I'd look more to ALOHAnet and the like. Where Fidonet does have a closer parallel is in the notion of diffusion of information -- i.e., that key info could move slowly and didn't need to suffuse the entire network simultaneously. When my team developed HSLS (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazy_Sighted_Link_State_Routing_Protocol) this was the key breakthrough (and what dramatically lowered routing overhead to make mesh networking far more scalable. Unfortunately, I couldn't convince developers I was working with to integrate the best-of tech from European folks, however, I was able to convince Europeans to integrate best-of tech from us. So today, BATMAN and olsrd are the standards -- they uses HSLS-like routing, and the tech scales to incredibly large networks. --Sascha
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On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:14 PM, Sepp Hasslberger wrote:
"FidoNet is a point-to-point and store-and-forward email WAN which uses modems on the direct-dial telephone network. It was developed in 1984, and has over 20,000 public nodes worldwide.
"FidoNet has been owned and operated primarily by end-users and hobbyists more than by computer professionals. Therefore, social and political issues arose in FidoNet far faster and more seriously than might be expected by those raised in other network cultures."
( this was written in 1992 and is quoted from http://www.fidonet.org/inet92_Randy_Bush.txt )
It would seem that there are at least some parallels, and that FidoNet, although technologically quite different from what we have today, was in some way a predecessor to the local mesh networks that are being established here and there.
Sepp
On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Sascha Meinrath wrote:
On 03/18/2011 03:58 PM, Michael Gurstein wrote:
Why don't we ask an expert... Sascha, any comments.
It's on the decline, but still alive (fidonet.org <http://fidonet.org/> I think). The decentralization is similar to some of the community LAN and wireless technologies, but I wouldn't say Fidonet was a precursor (technologically speaking). Its hayday was 1980s/90s, but the Web pretty much crushed it over time.
--Sascha
Best,
M
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Interesting question, does anyone have the answer?
I'll relay to FAcebook,
Michel
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