Dear Anna, there is no contradiction in my mind, between the relative capacity of indigenous people to live in harmony with nature (relatively as the native americans wiped out the large mammals that used to live in north america), and warfare and human conflict, after all, nature is a place of predation and the food chain as well, I am not trying to convince you, just pointing to anthropological and scientific accounts of the documented violence that took place; this is no way means we cannot admire and learn from the practices of indigenous Aboriginals (I don't know much about them, they may very well have had peaceful habits, but I'm sure you are aware the neighbouring Maori's, also known for their ecological ways, where warrior tribes who subjugated earlier inhabitants of New Zealand) I've seen a few documentaries about peaceful Amazonian tribes as well, it's just that they don't seem to have been the rule, Michel <<Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:45:21 +0100 From: Anna Harris <[email protected]> To: Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> Cc: p2p-foundation <[email protected]>, rajani kanth <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] What do I Know? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Michel, We have had this discussion before, and you have failed to convince me. My reading seems to have taken me in the opposite direction, coming across many who see prehistory, and some still existing people, eg aborigines, as a time when people lived harmoniously with each other and environment. 'Australian aboriginal people have lived in harmony with the earth for perhaps as long as 100,000 years; in their words, since the First Day. In this absorbing work, Lawlor explores the essence of their culture as a source of and guide to transforming our own world view. While not romanticizing the past or suggesting a return to the life of the hunter/gatherer, Voices of the First Day enables us to enter into the mentality of the oldest continuous culture on earth and gain insight into our own relationship with the earth and to each other. This book offers an opportunity to suspend our values, prejudices, and Eurocentrism and step into the Dreaming to discover: • A people who rejected agriculture, architecture, writing, clothing, and the subjugation of animals • A lifestyle of hunting and gathering that provided abundant food of unsurpassed nutritional value • Initiatic and ritual practices that hold the origins of all esoteric, yogic, magical, and shamanistic traditions • A sexual and emotional life that afforded diversity and fluidity as well as marital and social stability • A people who valued kinship, community, and the law of the Dreamtime as their greatest "possessions." • Language whose richness of structure and vocabulary reveals new worlds of perception and comprehension. • A people balanced between the Dreaming and the perceivable world, in harmony with all species and living each day as the First Day.' Anna -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/