Nothing has to be, but what do you mean by "educated and responsible citizenry" - how does that come about? - and what do you mean by "democracy" - what is that? Is not the very concept of modern/capitalist democracy a system to prevent the citizenry from influence and maximise capital interests? On 25/11/11 17:50, Natalie Golovin wrote:
Govts don't have to be owned and operated by Corporations. Its up to an educated and responsible citizenry to maintain sound govt or democracy will fail. Yes, Co-Ops are wonderful-wish there were more of them. Suggest you undertake more rigorous study re scarcity-marginal costs-risks etc.
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Anderson Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:16 AM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Product Maximizing Corporations (was: "corporateperson")
Natalie Golovin wrote:
That's where Government comes in..the role of referee/umpire.
But governments are owned and operated by the corporations.
And why are the corporations (and governments) against us?
Because they seek too keep Price above Cost, which requires scarcity, and in the end, even purposeful destruction.
For example: ""Belgian farmers dump milk in massive protest"" -- http://YouTube.com/watch?v=pDAjMcDWDZ0
Profit cannot survive during abundance, and so it is easy to see why we do not get very far - with corporations pretending to want to solve problems, but simultaneously being required to pay their investors with Profit which can only remain while the consumers are being subjugated and permanent solutions withheld.
This paradox can be resolved by choosing consumers to be the investors, and to compensate that risk with the Product itself. This would allow such corporations to truly solve problems and they would be on 'our' side because 'they' and 'we' would be one and the same.
When the owner of a milk-cow intends to sell the milk, then he hopes all other providers are destroyed, for then Price will be far above Cost.
But when the owner of a milk-cow intends to use the milk, then it does him no good if other providers are harmed.
The same is true if a milk dairy is co-owned by 1,000 people.
We can solve these internal conflicts and the drive for artificial scarcity by choosing investors who can accept Product as ROI while only selling any Surplus for a Profit and treating that Profit as a "For Product" investment from the consumer who paid it.
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