-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 i think the p2p point is to show forms for how the newones should enter in, entering what information. from simple feedback and donations. Up to giving other things that will grant them some rights within the org. (the barter offer from the org to the world) for phyles we should overcome the "for a good operating, we should be a group of friends" "little affinity group" human's reductive (little burgueoise) logic that is so trendy. it was abit decompiled by some, but still ruling in these more potentially globalized days, disclaimer: i don't (want to) understand it why the neurosis with a bit more of mass will steal your 'obscured' properties on the project. there are some practical issues for sure, but the deep kernels at projects are most of the times very corrupted and hidden or overassumed by the leaders and the followers who love capitalist scarcity operativeness in the intimacy (....why you don't start a new new one instead of contributing - disturbing here ?). for legal advice about the entity, at each jurisdiction there are different lawings, perhaps we should identify the jurisdictions more p2p friendly for transnational activities? how is that in iceland now? where software projects prefer to get based on? i am interested in this issue. we know that for servers there are some places more paradisiac than others too. i know that goteo.org (crowdfunding platform) hava had some difficulties with their setup because of payment methods restrictions and spanish 'commerce' law, so they are not free software because they couldn't lawfully, maybe we could in another jurisidiction? i could tell that in the spanish jurisdiction, catalonia has advantatges for big scope's cooperativism that other regions don't have. also there are many spanish travel agencies based there for example. for other smaller cases, people get out of catalonia due to big taxations for small 'fair' business. in spain, a cultural association could do quite a lot of things being very cheap and low cost setup(but just for the spanish territory, altough i guess could have collaboration contracts with others in other areas which could enable its activities there, i am not sure the limits). if you are further interested in advice from this area i could point you to some consultants, advice for free, maintenance of it for money. On 12/10/2011 11:40 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:
*How can I get support from / collaborate with* *a Phyle ?* *( or a cooperative ? )* * * *Is there an explanatory video ?* ( as the Mondragon excerpt below )
http://p2pfoundation.net/Phyles
to go through a step by step approach, and *converge legal and financial know how* + *capital*
in setting up a* "p2p compliant"* officially / financially / legally recognized structure / cooperative / business / *community organization ?* * *
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Lets say, I want to start a small cooperative, with a few engineer friends, as to enable the Research and Development and construction of modular , tensegrity based tents
( example http://sharewiki.org/en/Nomad_Tribe )
or, lets say, I need a housing scheme to converge friends into a ongoing collective, buy housing and production space
( example http://sharewiki.org/en/Leipzig_project )
and buy land to produce crops for the ongoing collective
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I notice, for example, In relation to "Launching a New Cooperative",
a 1979 Documentary on the Mondragon Cooperative excerpt :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=usZt2N6ftKI#t=15s
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < [email protected]> wrote:
Mondragon Cooperative Documentary from the 70 ies ( ? )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7efaDeFmurQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n_Cooperative_Corporation
The *MONDRAGON Corporation* is a corporation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation> and federation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_federation> of worker cooperatives <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative> based in the Basque <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euskal_Herria> region of Spain<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain> .
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It also set up its own bank-financial system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caja_Laboral
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and in relation to the town of Mondragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%B3n
Noted poverty expert and sociology professor Barbara J. Peters (Southampton College, Long Island University) has studied the incorporated and entirely resident-owned Basque town of Mondragón, Spain. "In Mondragón, I saw no signs of poverty. I saw no signs of extreme wealth," Peters said. "I saw people looking out for each other…..It's a caring form of capitalism.”
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