Orsan writes: <On the one hand there emerges an alliance of 'delayists' (around next system project, new economy alliance, de-growth so on) and on the radical left 'acclerationists' are forming a constellation (around Negri and so on). Some from left like Michael Aalbert, and parecon, David Harvey and rabel cities, negrists or cognitive captalists 'platform cooperatvism', Eric Olin Wright and real Utopias.. are counted in the next system alliance.> why would you call them delayists .. Michael Albert (and yourself in my opinion, i.e those that are waiting for a purist big bang) in probably the only one that qualifies ; the others are all engated in social change now, for example, gar alperovitz of the next economy project has co-instituted the clevel cooperative model Having a vision of the future, and organizing around a radical new model, in no way means that these people are 'delayists'. I also object to the critique that activists need to make a living ... Here are the choices that I see: 'Exo-genous' sources; * government subsidies ... lot's of radical projects depend on it * philanthropy ... * direct wages from capitalist entreprises (i.e. having a job) Endo-genous sources: - membership organisations , crowdfunding - independent market income as autonomous entities (las indias) EVERY choice comes with a price , but unless you are a rentier, you have to make them, Michel Michel -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/