hahahahaha.... On 19/10/11 14:06, Natalie Golovin wrote:
Read history-Most of the deaths were from disease. That native didn't have immunity can't be blamed on Europeans. Alcoholism is tied to generic differences in metabolism. The processing of sugars is different in peoples who were nomadic-didn't eat regularly and had a high protein diet. The actual conflicts that caused hostile actions were economic and trade related-and manipulated from England then Washington. BTW I have travelled extensively-including to many tribal lands.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:08 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Natalie Golovin<[email protected]> wrote:
And please stop romanticizing native peoples. At the time-all the tribes-including the invading European ones- engaged in shifting alliances & schemes to enrich their communities. The Europeans had better weapons. And since no one "owned" all that available land, and many of the tribes were nomadic-What right (Re: a previous mail) did the natives have to dominate it?
Sorry, I feel I have to step in and clear up this illusion that somehow we're "romanticizing" the native peoples. It is not fucking "romantic" just because one doesn't want to be the genocidal benefactor of 12 million deaths. IS it? Is that how you want to define the basis of the wealth of the Nation? That you're prosperous because you've built up an empire standing on top of 12 million, mostly innocent people, living on their ancient, ancestral lands as they had for thousands of years before we invaded it. Go fucking visit a reservation in northern nebraska and see the people that suffer to this day, unable to "cure" their alcoholism because their spirit and grand relationship to the cosmos has been broken simply because you had a fucking gun.
Pardon me, sorry for any friendly-fire..
marcos
The invaders came from crowded cities and were "homesteading."
We're not getting anywhere with this dialogue-Why not switch gears to attacking CEO's& enabling bureaucrats& politicians-where we have "common" ground?
-----Original Message----- From: Kevin Carson Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 7:48 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Libertarians
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Natalie Golovin<[email protected]> wrote:
Convoluted I�m a human citizen of the US which through its Constitution grants its citizens a certain set of rights& privileges. It has 3 branches-Executive, Legislative& Judicial and a border that is �generally� respected and would be defended militarily if aggressively attacked. I consider myself fortunate to be a citizen of a country that confers human rights on its citizens- a rare thing. A human without a nation has no rights-privileges or security.
I believe I have my rights by nature of my birth as a human being, not as a result of their being "granted" or "conferred" by any government. The U.S. government, at most, recognizes -- or rather, pays lip service -- to these rights.
And the wording of the Bill of Rights itself refers to "persons," not citizens, and has been widely understood since the beginning to require due process of law for all persons residing under the state's jurisdiction. -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
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