hi david, I'm still travelling, so I can only provide details after 25/10 but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system for a community and its commons for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ... On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:
Great Michael!
So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the nucleus going in that direction.
Would you make the honours? :-D
On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between proto-phyles ...
coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were more fully developed etc ..
Michel
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, can contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of commons based projects, Am I right?
We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative to national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health, guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a money-free economy in its interior.
On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
Great thanks to you both!!!
On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs ;)
https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote:
You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende <[email protected]> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in Englisch To: [email protected]
Hallo Hannes und alle,
On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal Bescheid sagen.
ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind vom deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter folgenden URLs zu finden:
Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund .pdf Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ ation.pdf
Herzliche Grüße Christian
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote:
Responses inline.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Bob,
it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we are still far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. The real existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in services (as it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital economy).
I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups. The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up, that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
Designs for material goods is another possibility.
Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but I guess diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable productive coin.
Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as the path of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism. Please have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google translate)
Thanks, will study.
On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we can implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing organizations".
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <[email protected]>
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>> >> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >> alignment between 'proto-phyles' > > Could this be it? > > https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 > > See the section entitled > > "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo my/2016/02/10" > and my comment below: > > https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> dear David, >> >> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go <g>, >> and >> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which I will >> process in a moment. >> >> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common skype >> with >> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, you and >> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And then >> see >> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment >> between >> 'proto-phyles' >> >> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in coordinating >> any >> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >> >> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our recently >> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special thought in >> his >> remembrance, >> >> Michel >> >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte < [email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> We completely agree!! >>> >>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects a >>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >>> experiencing >>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a closer >>> relation >>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first time in >>> many >>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a day, and >>> the >>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought: there >>> are in >>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >>> Switzerland >>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>> >>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical camp», >>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >>> disenchanted >>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the majority >>> of >>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>> >>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>> >>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE >>> ORGANIC >>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>> >>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, and I >>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>> >>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the just >>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let them >>> know >>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>> >>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also shows a >>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the >>> strengthening >>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very precise >>> strategy >>> and many innovative concepts >>> >>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I posited, >>> along >>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice, and >>> the >>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same >>> direction >>> >>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in which I'm >>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin >>> Karatini .. >>> >>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there is >>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is >>> thinking >>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the commons, in >>> a way >>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower and .. >>> THIS IS >>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>> >>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences between >>> the >>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in the >>> same >>> direction . >>> >>> >>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these groups, but >>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to travel >>> .. >>> >>> >>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' conference in >>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an >>> occasion >>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>> >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp lete-list/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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