Hi, Sorry, but I've to call again... The developers seems very willing to include a realtime kernel there repo. They need some people who wants to build and maintain it. This is really a chance for linux audio, especially on Debian. *This is the moment!* So please consider to offer your help in building, maintaining and/or testing! Thanks in advance, \r Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Grammostola Rosea wrote:
Hi,
There is an promising discussion on the debian-dev mailinglist. Maybe some people who knows more about realtime kernels could join. Also users who might want to have an realtime kernel in Debian and/or want help testing could join the discussion. I think it would be nice if there is also an realtime kernel in Debian or that the default kernel would be improved for realtime (audio) usage.
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe Here is the thread about a realtime kernel in Debian:
http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-development/268999-realtime-kernel-debia...
Kind regards,
\r
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Subject: Re: realtime kernel for Debian From: "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:26:35 +0100 To: [email protected]
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Do you really need real time kernel? Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two quotes, "real time" is used as marketing thing.
It's good to question the use of any feature, but a real-time kernel is certainly very useful in many industrial applications and Debian is popular in that field. (Don't put a marketing label on anything where you are not yourself sure of your expertise.)
Yes, I didn't write very well my sentence: the previous quotes was more about "there exist rt kernels", "ubuntu has a rt kernel", but not solid requirements. I had to write some "seems", and I'm sorry for the two quoted people if it seems an attack. Anyway, later in the mail, I asked for precise needs, so we could see better what we should improve.
IMHO most users want a low latency kernel, but not a slower kernel, so a CONFIG_HZ_1000 would be nice. But the original post was about multimedia production (and not reproduction), so the needs are probably other.
My point was more: - Debian has not rt kernel. Why? Non DD interested or/and low demand? This is an important point. We must not produce a rt-kernel if we cannot provide testers and developers (in unstable). - kernel management is a weak point in distribution: no good method for kernel dependencies, using full capabilities, ...
so IMHO we should try harder with the normal kernel, so that we can use the same infrastructure and testers. If we fail and we are able to support rt kernels, IMO it is good to provide it in Debian.
The original mail was about "multimedia production" and few year ago kernel developers had a lot of interaction with music industries. I'm not an expert in the field, but how far are we in their need with standard kernels?)
I do use a real-time kernel on a Debian based system for one of my customers (but I have to recompile the kernel anyway because I do other customizations) and I have good reasons to do so because I can't suffer serial overrun and I must ensure that the serial interrupt handler is run in the required time and that no other (kernel) task has higher priority.
These *other customizations* are important to rt-kernel. So we need a person (or more) that know the needs and could support us. "realtime" alone is only a label ;-)
ciao cate