Hi all; 2 things, first I put a 40 watt light bulb in the box for heat, along with a thermostat that shuts it down at about 60F. Then I just made 3 passes at re-installing bdi-4.30, without formatting the /usr partition. First and second times I did it in text mode, and found what I'd consider a major bug in that procedure. In text mode, after everything has been installed, it pops up the x config screen to see howto configure x. Unforch, by then, the keyboard mapping is foo'd, bar'd & maybe even bazzed. Keystrokes are shown on screen, exactly as they come out of the cable. No mouse of course. So the only thing to do is tap the reset button Figuring it had re-installed grub by then, I removed the cd before I hit the reset button. It rebooted, started a very low res X screen and brought up a login requestor after advising me that root logins were disallowed. Which is fine I guess, but if root logins are disallowed, why hadn't it asked me for a regular user and his passwd yet? Obviously, since it hadn't yet set that up, there was no valid user, and with root disabled, it was 3 finger time & re-install the 2nd time. Same scenario at the end, no keyboard mapping when it asked me for the screen setup. Just semi garbled, 3 or 4 chars per keypress mess onscreen. Reset time again, only this time let it do a graphical install, which goes all the way till nearly the end where its installing the kde windows manager, which gets to 50% and freezes the box. I'll try it again tomorrow after memtest86 has run for a bit. But the text installer should setup a username & passwd before it gets totally lost. That way, if it upchucks again, I could simply login, su -, and get to fixing the problems. Sensibly it seems like this should be the next step after configuring the network interface, but its not. This motherboard, a Mach Speed, has a minimum cpu speed I guess, I cannot slow it down in the bios enough to make it say the cpu is a 1400. So it logs in on the post screen as a 1600 mhz athlon & I have NDI how much faster it might be able to run. On the old mobo before it upchucked, it did run at 1400 ok. And its running about 80F cooler on this board than it ever ran when it was on the old board. -- Cheers, Gene People having trouble with vz bouncing email to me should use this address: <[email protected]> which bypasses vz's stupid bounce rules. I do use spamassassin too. :-) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.