<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 16 de diciembre de 2010 10:16, Nicolás Reynolds <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fauno@kiwwwi.com.ar">fauno@kiwwwi.com.ar</a>></span> escribió:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
El 16/12/10 11:12, Henry Jensen dijo:<br>
> Thanks for your work. As I see it the main difference between the<br>
> Squeeze kernel and Linux-Libre is the ability to load non-free firmware<br>
> and as such the very mentioning of non-free firmware files in the<br>
> soruce code.<br>
><br>
> The Squeeze kernel is still able to load non-free firmware, but it's<br>
> not delivered in the main repository (it is in the non-free repo,<br>
> AFAIK).<br>
><br>
> Linux-Libre isn't able to load non-free firmware, even if you obtain<br>
> the non-free firmware files somehow.<br>
><br>
> So, it's a matter of attitude. Do we give the user the opportunity to<br>
> use non-free software if he wishes to do so, despite the<br>
> recommendations, or do we prevent it proactively?<br>
><br>
> For example, GNU Icecat doesn't suggest non-free plugins. But Icecat is<br>
> still able to load non-free plugins, it is not prevented proactively.<br>
> Of course, the main difference is, that non-free software isn't<br>
> mentioned in the Icecat source code (at least I assume so, I didn't<br>
> check), where non-free software is explicitly mentioned hard-coded in<br>
> the source code, so the situation is only slightly comparable.<br>
><br>
> Giving the user the ability to use non-free software without any<br>
> comment leads to a situation where unexperienced users might be not<br>
> knowing what they are doing. For example Debian help forums are full of<br>
> advices for novice users to activate the non-free repository. Same goes<br>
> for Fedora where novice users are encouraged in forums to integrate<br>
> non-official repositories with non-free software.<br>
><br>
> To proactively prevent the use of non-free software on the other hand<br>
> is censorship. I recall RMS pointing out in an interview that any free<br>
> operating system should allow to do anything. I CC him, maybe he has<br>
> some thoughts to add.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
><br>
> Henry<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:56:07 -0800 (PST)<br>
> "Jason Self" <<a href="mailto:jason@bluehome.net">jason@bluehome.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > In light of Debian's recent announcement [1] I and others were interested in how<br>
> > well the Debian folks cleaned up their kernel. I proceeded to grab the source<br>
> > for the Squeeze kernel, ran the linux-libre deblobbing script on it, and then<br>
> > diffed it against the original to see what had changed.<br>
> ><br>
> > The full deblob log [2] & diff [3] is available to anyone that's interested in<br>
> > knowing.<br>
> ><br>
> > [1] <a href="http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215</a><br>
> > [2] <a href="http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_deblog_log.txt" target="_blank">http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_deblog_log.txt</a><br>
> > [3] <a href="http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_diff.txt" target="_blank">http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_diff.txt</a><br>
<br>
<br>
I recall this discussion had place a year ago between linux-libre and ututo (I<br>
mean between people behind those projects), where your same arguments were<br>
used.<br>
<br>
And IIRC, finally there was a note in the linux-libre site saying that loading<br>
nonfree firmware isn't banned anymore. Haven't tested it though, and I can't<br>
seem to find it...<br>
<br>
I'm CCing the lists where the discussion had place.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Salud!<br>
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<br></blockquote><div><br>A ver si entiendo. Esta es la eterna discusión de si quien es más papista que el papa, no?<br>La gente de Debian dice (por lo que logré entender) que prohibir la carga de blobs propietarias es 'censurador' y otra gente dice que el kernel, para ser libre (como linux-libre) no debería siquiera permitir esto, no?<br>
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