<div dir="ltr">I'm really agnostic to the platform, whatever works better for the translators.<div><br></div><div>if you can update this <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update</a> with whatever decision, it would be great.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I repeat some of my concerns (I could not get into the pad) to avoid duplicate work:</div><div><br></div><div>* the translation concerns only sections 2 and 3 (i.e. the full participatory version but only part of the wiki version)</div>
<div><br></div><div>* Andres has already translated substantial parts (see status link)</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Bruno Freitas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bfreitas@gmail.com" target="_blank">bfreitas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">As a sugestion, there is the dotsub platform for translations.</p>
<p dir="ltr">And There is the <a href="https://webtranslateit.com/en" target="_blank">https://webtranslateit.com/en</a><br>
Where the diaspora project is being translated..</p>
<p dir="ltr">Just thinking that maybe its time to set up a platform for other future translations...</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 06/05/2014 11:46, "Emilio Velis" <<a href="mailto:contacto@emiliovelis.com" target="_blank">contacto@emiliovelis.com</a>> escreveu:<div><div class="h5"><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Do you prefer if we do the translation right into the Wiki? We also have the option of using Pads. I tried dividing the document into six parts to help the managing of the content and the process of reviewing:<br>
<span></span><br><a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/1</a><br><a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/2</a><br><a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/3</a><br>
<a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/4</a><br><a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/5</a><br><a href="http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6" target="_blank">http://floksociety.titanpad.com/6<span></span></a><br>
<br></div>This platform gets buggy sometimes but it may work. I'm already adding the translated bits so that we don't duplicated efforts. <br><br>After this, we need to call for help from our volunteers to finish it. Given the fact that practically a 30-40% of it seems translated, the whole document can be finished in a couple of days with enough help and then it can be reviewed in order to get a high-quality translation.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 May 2014 06:57, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">we are making substantial progress, with Andres Delgado having translated a substantial portion, see <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#Status_Update</a><div>
<br></div><div>David Vila is helping to coordinate the translation effort internally, and is in cc,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Agustin Baeza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agustin.baeza@gmail.com" target="_blank">agustin.baeza@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi everyone. I´m not very experimented in working in collaborative issues, but I´m joined to the effort of translating. So, just waiting for the start time…<div>
<br></div><div>Agustín <br><div><div>El 06/05/2014, a las 00:13, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> escribió:</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Dear Emilio,<div><br></div><div>this version could be used to have (sub/title to sub/title pieces), <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>3 micro-pieces have been given to volunteer translators, i.e. until, but not included</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical_Capitalism_based_on_the_control_of_networked_platforms" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan#The_second_model:_Netarchical_Capitalism_based_on_the_control_of_networked_platforms</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>if you know of any translation platform that is better, that is of course fine for me,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Emilio Velis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:contacto@emiliovelis.com" target="_blank">contacto@emiliovelis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div>Alright, so maybe tonight we can separate the document in pieces and post them online. We can gather people to participate during the following week and work on it to have it finished in two weeks, hopefully.<br>
<br></div><div>I think we'll need to start another line of emails with this info in Spanish to draw attention to those colleagues who may have overlooked this email for it being in English. Even if people on this list don't have experience as translators they can certainly help (translation on a collaborative environment requires more hands and less expertise) or they can help us spread the word to find people interested in helping.<br>
<br></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 May 2014 14:21, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>hi emilio, great to have you as a reviewer,<br><br>for the moment to view volunteers to do it in time, but in any case a reviewer will be essential for the final version<br>
<br></div>and bruno, of course a Portuguese-language version would be great, and the deadline there would be much more relaxed,<br>
<br>Michel<br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Bruno Freitas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bfreitas@gmail.com" target="_blank">bfreitas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Do you guys think/wish to translate it to portuguese? I can help with it.</p><p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">Em 05/05/2014 17:32, "Bernardo Gutiérrez" <<a href="mailto:bernardobrasil@gmail.com" target="_blank">bernardobrasil@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Jorge, emilio, Michel<br><br>Let´s do it. <br>Pensemos bien y podemos organizar un texto republicable, copypaste, formado colectivamente por P2P List o lo que sea. <br><br></div>Acá estoy para lo que haga falta<br>
</div>Bernardo<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-05 13:54 GMT-03:00 Emilio Velis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:contacto@emiliovelis.com" target="_blank">contacto@emiliovelis.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Or we just paste it on a PAD and organize a translationsprint. I've done it before and it can be finished in matter of hours. I think Bernardo could be the kind of person to organize this feat in matter of a short amount of time and that way everyone can work on the same documents at the same time and at their own pace.<br>
<br></div>Michel, I'd love to help as a reviewer/editor for the text to finish it with good quality. Let me know what you think of the idea!<br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 May 2014 10:08, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">ok, great jorge, let me know!</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jorge Toledo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com" target="_blank">jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Michel</div><div><br></div>That sounds good to me. I can work on an article introducing the whole project and then publish it together with a call for volunteer translators or, even better, a simple "how to get involved" guide. What do you think? <div>
<br><div>I will go through the documentation you just linked here and I will let you know if I have any questions or need something else.<div><br></div><div>Best,</div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-05 15:53 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">dear Jorge,<div><br></div><div>at this stage, I would prefer to start in spanish, and to also appeal for volunteer translators,</div><div><br></div><div>your help is much appreciated, tell me how I can help,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:45 AM, Jorge Toledo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com" target="_blank">jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you for the info, Michel<div><br></div><div>I'd love to publish something about it on <a href="http://www.ecosistemaurbano.org/" target="_blank">www.ecosistemaurbano.org</a>.</div>
<div>I can do it in English or Spanish. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-05-04 16:37 GMT+02:00 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">dear friends,<div><br></div><div>I woulld like to gather support for the publication of the first integrated transition program to a commons-based society</div><div><br></div><div>This transition plan was commissioned by Ecuador and will be accompanied by more than a dozen policy frameworks to enable the creation of open commons in every domain of social activity. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The main document is here, <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a> (the first paragraph explains the institutional background of the project)</div>
<div><br></div><div>and this is a version that is open to commentary and participation: <a href="https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/" target="_blank">https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text/xMHsm6YpVgI/view/</a></div>
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<br></div><div>General info on the project is at <a href="http://floksociety.org/" target="_blank">floksociety.org</a> ; the policy proposals are here at (<a href="https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text" target="_blank">https://floksociety.co-ment.com/text</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>I would really appreciate if you could spread this in your networks, as this is the first example of its kind,</div><div><br></div><div>The fight is far from over, and there is a distinct danger that the project would take a pragmatic turn around some token initiatives, while ignoring the cultural change that needs to take place around generative commons. A spanish translation to the framework document has not yet been guaranteed.</div>
<div><br></div><div>By spreading awareness of the commons transition framework you would contribute to the awareness of the context of the proposed changes.</div><div><br></div><div>Michel Bauwens, (FLOK research director)</div>
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<br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
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Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
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Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div><div>
<br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
<br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div>
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