<div dir="ltr">Felicidades amigas<div><br></div><div>Sigamos con la divulgación. Fue tendencia en MAdrid. Lo importante es el proceso. GILA ha empezado a hacer menciones a cuentas oficiales. No estaría mal bombardear a Telefónica, Ayuntamiento, sector de las artes etc para que se sientan perdidetes y tengan qu edesmentir que no es suyo el vídeo (lo que sería un golazo del equipo guerrilla, casi sería como decir que es mentira el plan y tengan que dar marcha trás)</div>
<div><br></div><div>abs</div><div>Bernardo</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 14 de abril de 2014, 4:57, Jorge Toledo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com" target="_blank">jtg@ecosistemaurbano.com</a>&gt;</span> escribió:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div>Muy currada la campaña, enhorabuena a todos.<br><br><i>3 minutes to go!</i><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"><div>jorge toledo | ecosistema urbano<br></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 14 de abril de 2014, 8:52, VIC <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:viverodeiniciativasciudadanas@gmail.com" target="_blank">viverodeiniciativasciudadanas@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escribió:<div>
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    <div>Buenos días a todas!!<br>
      preparados en VIC para difundir tb.<br>
      <span>#TimofónicaRobaElLab<br>
        abrazos<br>
        esau acosta<br>
      </span><br>
      <br>
      <pre cols="72">-- 
Esaú Acosta
@desdevic
VIVERO DE INICIATIVAS CIUDADANAS.
(Urban Empowerment)
<a href="http://viveroiniciativasciudadanas.net" target="_blank">viveroiniciativasciudadanas.net</a></pre>
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      El 14/04/2014 2:15, Gila Intervención escribió:<br>
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          <div>Noooooo, en el link que ha puesto Javier no se ve el
            vídeo porque ha dicho que esa página está en privado hasta
            mañana, pero seguro que mañana se ve.<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          El link directo al vídeo ya no es ese, que está en el canal de
          Gila, sino este, que está en el canal del Ayuntamiento:<br>
          <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYYPSeycw8" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYYPSeycw8</a><br>
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        </div>
        Voy a borrar el de Gila para que no haya confusiones :-)<br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          El 14 de abril de 2014, 1:49, Bernardo Gutiérrez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bernardobrasil@gmail.com" target="_blank">bernardobrasil@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          escribió:<br>
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              <div>Saludos, </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>el link del video que hay en el PAD está roto</div>
              <div><span style="line-height:17px;padding-top:1px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;padding-bottom:1px"><a href="http://savethelab.org/madrid-reservado-para-ti/" target="_blank">http://savethelab.org/madrid-reservado-para-ti/</a></span><span style="line-height:17px;padding-top:1px;font-size:13px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;padding-bottom:1px"> </span><br>



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              El link bueno es <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tESqJkxNcY&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tESqJkxNcY&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>
              ??
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              </div>
              <div>Alguien por ahí? lo cambio enel PAD por si acaso</div>
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              </div>
              <div>abs</div>
              <div>Bernardo</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">El 10 de abril de 2014, 23:02,
                Gila Intervención <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gila.intervenciones@gmail.com" target="_blank">gila.intervenciones@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                escribió:
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                  <div><br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div dir="ltr">Bueno, pues a este tipo de cosas es
                        a las que me refería el otro día con hacer una
                        campaña del Ayuntamiento. El vídeo no está
                        público, porque la idea sería abrir un cabal
                        fake de esMadridtelevisión, subirlo ahí y
                        moverlo como si fuese real... O lo que se os
                        ocurra, claro. Sentiros libres de proponer o
                        criticar, claro :-)<br>
                        <br>
                        <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tESqJkxNcY&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tESqJkxNcY&amp;feature=youtu.be</a><br>
                        <span><span><span dir="ltr"></span></span></span></div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">El 10 de abril de 2014,
                          18:23, Alberto Corsin Jimenez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:acorsin@gmail.com" target="_blank">acorsin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                          escribió:
                          <div>
                            <div><br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">Noticia en EuropaPress:
                                  Ana Botella dice que no sabe nada de
                                  la operación de traslado de
                                  Medialab-Prado.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a href="http://www.europapress.es/madrid/noticia-botella-disipa-dudas-posible-cesion-asegurando-no-tiene-conocimiento-operacion-alguna-serreria-belga-20140410144905.html" target="_blank">http://www.europapress.es/madrid/noticia-botella-disipa-dudas-posible-cesion-asegurando-no-tiene-conocimiento-operacion-alguna-serreria-belga-20140410144905.html</a><br>



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                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-10
                                    8:22 GMT+02:00 Alba Santa <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alba.santa@gmail.com" target="_blank">alba.santa@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">Hola a todos, 
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Un saludo desde
                                              Alicante. Igual que muchos
                                              no soy usuaria asidua al
                                              proyecto, pero si lo sigo
                                              desde la distancia y en la
                                              medida que he podido he
                                              participado en alguna
                                              actividad. </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Esta noticia es
                                              lamentable, aunque creo
                                              que todavía hay mucho por
                                              hacer para que no se
                                              convierta en una realidad.
                                              Ahora bien, no se trata
                                              solo de que unos y otros
                                              son unos .... bien cierto
                                              es; creo que más bien
                                              estamos ante una práctica
                                              bien común en nuestro
                                              país, y es tener lo
                                              público al servicio (y en
                                              el peor sentido del
                                              término) de estas escasas
                                              grandes empresas
                                              privilegiadas de este país
                                              (telecomunicaciones,
                                              electricidad, energia,
                                              transportes... grandes
                                              ejemplos de expolio
                                              público). Ojalá las
                                              pequeñas tuvieran la mitad
                                              de sus privilegios....</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Dicho esto, creo que es
                                              importante derrocar el
                                              discurso del otro, ese
                                              mensaje de &quot;Open Future&quot;
                                              con el que quieren
                                              apropiarse de un inmueble
                                              que ha costado a las arcas
                                              públicas millones de
                                              euros. ¿Dónde lo
                                              sustentan? ¿Acaso pintan
                                              algo las personas? ¿de
                                              dónde esperan y cómo sacar
                                              esos 20.000 o 30.000
                                              empleos en startup?
                                              Mentira, tras mentira, que
                                              el trabajo de
                                              Medialabprado en todo este
                                              tiempo puede demostrar y
                                              es lo que creo que ha de
                                              exponer, y ha puede
                                              hacerlo rodeándose de
                                              todos los expertos
                                              locales, nacionales e
                                              internacionales que pasado
                                              por él y han aportado su
                                              granito de arena a que
                                              MediaLabPrado sea lo que
                                              hoy es. </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>En síntesis, estamos en
                                              una guerra, un conflicto
                                              de inteses entre dos
                                              modelos contrapuestos:
                                              autogestión vs
                                              privaticación para tener
                                              un control centralizado y
                                              en las manos de los que
                                              quieren continuar
                                              mandando. La autogestión
                                              les hace ceder control,
                                              tiene un gran poder y eso
                                              aterra.... lamenablemente,
                                              tenemos unas instituciones
                                              públicas en muchos casos
                                              miseras, que dejan de lado
                                              su responsabilidad
                                              pública... en nuestra mano
                                              está hacer valer y saber
                                              esto para reforzar los
                                              modelos de autogestión
                                              como mecanismos esenciales
                                              de cohesión social y
                                              empleo. </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Espero haber podido
                                              ayudar y os sigo!</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Saludos,</div>
                                            <div>Alba </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-10
                                              5:42 GMT+02:00 &quot;Bernardo
                                              Gutiérrez&quot; <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bernardobrasil@riseup.net" target="_blank">bernardobrasil@riseup.net</a>&gt;</span>:
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <br>
                                                    Montar un PAd con la
                                                    operación 4G para
                                                    salvar el Lab?<br>
                                                    sigo pensando que
                                                    hay que hacer màs
                                                    que un manifiesto y
                                                    aprovechar la
                                                    ocasión<br>
                                                    sigamos hablando<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    B<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Gila Intervención
                                                    escreveu:<br>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>&gt; Yo no he
                                                        sido nunca muy
                                                        usuaria del
                                                        Medialab, pero
                                                        la cosa me
                                                        parece<br>
                                                        &gt;
                                                        impresentable,
                                                        claro. Igual me
                                                        llamáis loca,
                                                        pero lo primero
                                                        que me viene<br>
                                                        &gt; a<br>
                                                        &gt; la cabeza
                                                        es una campaña
                                                        de publicidad
                                                        del Ayuntamiento
                                                        de Madrid, que<br>
                                                        &gt; tras<br>
                                                        &gt; mucha duda
                                                        y flirteo, por
                                                        fin ha dado con
                                                        su modelo
                                                        cultural: la
                                                        cultura<br>
                                                        &gt; 4G.<br>
                                                        &gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;<br>
                                                        &gt; 2014-04-09
                                                        19:11 GMT+02:00
                                                        Michel Bauwens
                                                        &lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;:<br>
                                                        &gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; Cc:
                                                        &quot;P2P Foundation
                                                        - Lista de
                                                        correo en
                                                        espa&amp;#241,
                                                        ol&quot; &lt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:p2p-lang-es@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-lang-es@lists.ourproject.org</a>&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; Ok
                                                        gang. Here&#39;s the
                                                        article.
                                                        Tomorrow we can
                                                        publish the Open
                                                        Letter<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; they&#39;ve
                                                        made calling out
                                                        for help (needs
                                                        some copyediting
                                                        here and<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; there)<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; and
                                                        we&#39;ll use Carla
                                                        Bosserman&#39;s
                                                        illustration.
                                                        Please share.<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-commons-at-stake-the-enclosure-of-medialab-prado/2014/04/09" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-commons-at-stake-the-enclosure-of-medialab-prado/2014/04/09</a><br>



                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; Aquí
                                                        tenéis un
                                                        llamamiento en
                                                        el blog de la
                                                        Fundación junto
                                                        a la<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;
                                                        traducción de un
                                                        artículo de
                                                        Bernardo del año
                                                        pasado sobre
                                                        Media-Lab,<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; para<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; dar
                                                        contexto.<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; On Wed,
                                                        Apr 9, 2014 at
                                                        9:53 AM, Stacco
                                                        Troncoso<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:staccotroncoso@gmail.com" target="_blank">staccotroncoso@gmail.com</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;&gt; Ok,
                                                        I can&#39;t take on
                                                        a full
                                                        translation (not
                                                        this week
                                                        anyway), so what<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m
                                                        doing is writing
                                                        an intro,
                                                        explaining the
                                                        situation to
                                                        give some<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;&gt;
                                                        context and,
                                                        then,
                                                        republishng our
                                                        translation of
                                                        Bernardo&#39;s
                                                        article<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;
                                                        _______________________________________________<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
                                                        &gt;&gt; Lista <a href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es" target="_blank">https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es</a><br>



                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;&gt;<br>
                                                        &gt;
                                                        _______________________________________________<br>
                                                        &gt; Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
                                                        &gt; Lista <a href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es" target="_blank">https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es</a><br>



                                                        &gt;<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                        Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
                                                        Lista <a href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es" target="_blank">https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es</a><br>



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                                          </div>
                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                          Wiki: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Spanish_P2P_WikiSprint</a><br>
                                          Lista <a href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es" target="_blank">https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-lang-es</a><br>
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